Monday, August 20, 2012

Cogs in the Machine

If you dont mind me asking but wouldn't Athena qualify having strength associated with her seeing as she threw an island at one of the gigantes?

This question got promoted up from the Athena question from last week cause I started spending too much time on the answer.

I love structure.
Anne dislikes structure.
When working on what gods to get associated I attempted to add some structure so that I could answer questions like this when they popped up.

SUCCESS!!!! Take that Anne!

For most associateds we strive for a 3 strike system. We need to hear about their power/purview/whatever 3 times throughout all myth and legend. This could take place in the following ways:

-actual myth of them doing the thing
(Athena throwing the mountain)

-second-hand myth about them doing the thing
(Loki saying Odin does womens' magic)

-they have an epithet that is that thing
(Lugh of the Strong Arm)

-they had at least 1 human cult dedicated to the thing
(Dionysus' mystery cults)

There are probably a couple other options, but basically things like that. We look for a total of three of them, and they could all be from the same source.

So if someone has a story where they throw a mountain, a story where someone talks about them lifting a building, and they are also called "X the Super Strong", they probably have Epic Strength associated. However, if they just have a story about them throwing a mountain one time (as in Athena's case), they probably have a lot of Strength, but not ALL the Strength.

We also subtract for obvious anti-uses of the thing that work in reverse. If a god is called are called "X the Weak" or has stories about how they couldn't get out of jars (you got a pass cause Anne said you were 'mandatory', Ares), then they can subtract from our three-mention system.

This allows us to codify the things we have, and allows us to go back and check our work. The system helps us justify and remember why we gave a god that and whether or not they really "deserve" that associated.

And it prevents really scary stuff from cropping up that you may not know about. Did you know that at one point Thor is called wisest of the Aesir? Should Thor get intelligence because of that? No... no, he should not... Thor is dumb as dirt. So Athena is probably very strong, but to use the above as an example... she is not Thor. Thor could throw like 50 goddamn mountains.

4 comments:

  1. You jerk. :)

    Yeah, I'd say in Athena's case here she probably has a lot of Epic Strength - like, maybe as much as nine or ten dots of it! - but not the Ultimate, since Strength isn't one of the things she does very often. Hurling Sicily at someone's head was probably the result of a high-pressure situation, a very awesome Legendary Deed/buff combo, and Ares not being available to take out the most strategic person she wanted down.

    Probably made an almighty awesome splat.

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  2. Ares is, indeed, mandatory.

    But does that make Aphrodite womandatory?

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  3. In the Agonautica by Apollonius of Rhodes, Athena holds the Clashing Rocks open for the Argo, so that might be a second source to confirm her strength.

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