Hey, did you guys need a frankly terrifying dystopian cyberpunk animated version of the story of Sun Wukong? I have one for you!
The movie's title translates as The God Hunter, and it is supposed to see release in China next year. Exciting!
Showing posts with label Sun Wukong. Show all posts
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Monday, November 12, 2012
Chaos, Monkeys and More
Question: Is your Chaos Titan still Hundun? Because I have come up with this Titanspawn that would be on the path toward becoming a full-on Titan Avatar of Chaos, sort of like a dark reflection of Sun Wukong (who is awesome), and I really like how you two have done the whole Titan thing, so I'd be curious to know how this sort of character would work as something unique that's happening in Scion.
We haven't done an official rewrite for the Titan of Chaos yet, so at the moment our Chaos Titan is a loose agglomeration of concepts; we have no Chinese Scions at the moment and thus their Titanrealm hasn't been one of the more major antagonists in play. We'll definitely have one when we're done with our Titanrealm rewrites, but that's a while in the future, so we don't know exactly when it'll happen. As far as Hundun's portrayal in the book goes, we didn't like much of its writeup and probably won't keep a great deal of it - Hundun himself is a good choice for a Titan Avatar, but while we totally understand the challenge of trying to represent a concept like Chaos in understandable bits and bites for play, we don't think the book did a very good job with it.
We've been using some of the elements of Pakiy, the Titanrealm of Destruction we wrote up for the Inca pantheon supplement, in lieu of Hundun, and so far that's been working out pretty well for us. It needs a full rewrite, but will have to wait until whatever round of Titan work it crops up in.
As for your Sun Wukong nemesis, however, that sounds like a fun idea! Titanspawn becoming Titan Avatars is absolutely possible, and since one of Chaos' schticks is mimicking and twisting things that already exist, having it based on Sun Wukong (himself a chaotic mess of a god) should work just fine. Sun Wukong started as a Titanspawn creature and became a god; a dark mirror of him that went the other road should be a fun phenomenon indeed. Incidentally, that's also a fun thing to explore for Scions of the Monkey King - their father was originally Titanspawn and even now is strongly aligned with chaos and destruction, so it's not inconceivable that some of his Scions might find the road to the Titans suits them more than staying with the straight-laced gods.
I say go on with your bad self. Your Titan Avatar idea sounds, in theory, like it's got a great base; just make sure you understand what aspects of Chaos this guy represents and what his motivations are, and you've got an antagonist your players can love and fear all day long.
We haven't done an official rewrite for the Titan of Chaos yet, so at the moment our Chaos Titan is a loose agglomeration of concepts; we have no Chinese Scions at the moment and thus their Titanrealm hasn't been one of the more major antagonists in play. We'll definitely have one when we're done with our Titanrealm rewrites, but that's a while in the future, so we don't know exactly when it'll happen. As far as Hundun's portrayal in the book goes, we didn't like much of its writeup and probably won't keep a great deal of it - Hundun himself is a good choice for a Titan Avatar, but while we totally understand the challenge of trying to represent a concept like Chaos in understandable bits and bites for play, we don't think the book did a very good job with it.
We've been using some of the elements of Pakiy, the Titanrealm of Destruction we wrote up for the Inca pantheon supplement, in lieu of Hundun, and so far that's been working out pretty well for us. It needs a full rewrite, but will have to wait until whatever round of Titan work it crops up in.
As for your Sun Wukong nemesis, however, that sounds like a fun idea! Titanspawn becoming Titan Avatars is absolutely possible, and since one of Chaos' schticks is mimicking and twisting things that already exist, having it based on Sun Wukong (himself a chaotic mess of a god) should work just fine. Sun Wukong started as a Titanspawn creature and became a god; a dark mirror of him that went the other road should be a fun phenomenon indeed. Incidentally, that's also a fun thing to explore for Scions of the Monkey King - their father was originally Titanspawn and even now is strongly aligned with chaos and destruction, so it's not inconceivable that some of his Scions might find the road to the Titans suits them more than staying with the straight-laced gods.
I say go on with your bad self. Your Titan Avatar idea sounds, in theory, like it's got a great base; just make sure you understand what aspects of Chaos this guy represents and what his motivations are, and you've got an antagonist your players can love and fear all day long.
Thursday, January 12, 2012
Monkey See, Monkey Do
Question: The Monkey King as you have statted him doesn't have Epic Dexterity associated with him. Why is that, exactly?
It's because of that one player. You know that one player. Everybody has him (or in this case her) from time to time.
She was that one player that, to use old World of Darkness terminology, was just out to get the Holy Trinity: she wanted Strength, Dexterity and Stamina as associated and damn the rest. There wouldn't be anything wrong with this under normal circumstances, but she had no idea who Sun Wukong was, had no interest in learning his legends and had no character concept beyond "I want to be better at killing the monsters than everyone else". No matter how much we tried to guide her toward considering other deities who were also famed badasses or at least coming up with a concept that was more solid than "I want to punch things until I win", she would not let go of the Handsome Monkey King. It wasn't because she liked him, which is a pity because he's pretty epically hilarious; she just wanted the XP discount on playing a minmaxed combat monster.
Obviously, it's difficult to construct meaningful stories when one of your five players can't see past the XP to come up with a personality, so we were a bit stumped. Our quick-fix solution was to bring Sun Wukong down to the level of other deities, thus forcing her to make decisions based on more than just how many points she could get toward stabbing people in the face (incidentally, Ryujin got the same treatment, though in his case there was much less reason for him to have all three physical attributes associated anyway). Dexterity was the one that got cut, not because Sun Wukong probably doesn't have it, but because the avalanche of evidence for Strength and Stamina was so intense that we couldn't imagine cutting either of those.
But you're right: Sun Wukong ends up with kind of the short end of the stick. It's my opinion that he should have all three physicals, and we'll probably be restoring it to him as soon as we get to revamping the associateds for the Celestial Bureaucracy (we're currently about halfway through our odyssey through the pantheons, so it won't be tomorrow but it should hopefully be pretty soon). I would go right ahead with letting his Scions have all three associated - this is a case where our edits just haven't caught up to the website quite yet.
Incidentally, while that player did stick with playing a Scion of Ryujin, she ended up coming up with a character who was actually full of personality and a lot of fun for the duration of her run as well as being a very capably badass swordswoman.
It's because of that one player. You know that one player. Everybody has him (or in this case her) from time to time.
She was that one player that, to use old World of Darkness terminology, was just out to get the Holy Trinity: she wanted Strength, Dexterity and Stamina as associated and damn the rest. There wouldn't be anything wrong with this under normal circumstances, but she had no idea who Sun Wukong was, had no interest in learning his legends and had no character concept beyond "I want to be better at killing the monsters than everyone else". No matter how much we tried to guide her toward considering other deities who were also famed badasses or at least coming up with a concept that was more solid than "I want to punch things until I win", she would not let go of the Handsome Monkey King. It wasn't because she liked him, which is a pity because he's pretty epically hilarious; she just wanted the XP discount on playing a minmaxed combat monster.
Obviously, it's difficult to construct meaningful stories when one of your five players can't see past the XP to come up with a personality, so we were a bit stumped. Our quick-fix solution was to bring Sun Wukong down to the level of other deities, thus forcing her to make decisions based on more than just how many points she could get toward stabbing people in the face (incidentally, Ryujin got the same treatment, though in his case there was much less reason for him to have all three physical attributes associated anyway). Dexterity was the one that got cut, not because Sun Wukong probably doesn't have it, but because the avalanche of evidence for Strength and Stamina was so intense that we couldn't imagine cutting either of those.
But you're right: Sun Wukong ends up with kind of the short end of the stick. It's my opinion that he should have all three physicals, and we'll probably be restoring it to him as soon as we get to revamping the associateds for the Celestial Bureaucracy (we're currently about halfway through our odyssey through the pantheons, so it won't be tomorrow but it should hopefully be pretty soon). I would go right ahead with letting his Scions have all three associated - this is a case where our edits just haven't caught up to the website quite yet.
Incidentally, while that player did stick with playing a Scion of Ryujin, she ended up coming up with a character who was actually full of personality and a lot of fun for the duration of her run as well as being a very capably badass swordswoman.
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