Question: Where does Rhea fit among the other Titans? What Titanic aspect does she represent? Also, her role in myth is distinctly benevolent, so is she on the Gods' side in this conflict?
Rhea is a difficult being to peg for Scion; she's very obviously a Titan, but equally obviously not opposed to the gods, and furthermore she doesn't seem to represent any particular natural force in Greek myth, outside of motherhood. So what to do with poor Rhea? Surely Zeus wouldn't have tossed his mother into Tartarus, right? But then where is she?
There are a few options you can pursue with Rhea. The Romans transformed her into Ops, goddess of prosperity, and her links through them to fertility and wealth give her the potential to be considered a member of Terra as an earth and fertility Titan. As the ruling queen of the Titans and gods during the Golden Age (and especially highly regarded as such by the Romans), you might also consider her to be part of the Justice realm - if you use the book's version of Logos, she is similarly inoffensive and neutral as are the other Avatars that populate it, and if you run with our version of Sedeq, she might represent justice in opposition to tyranny.
If you want to use Rhea as an antagonistic Titan, the best way to do so is probably by following her fusion and eventual transformation into the mad goddess Cybele, which occurred over the course of her cults in Greece and actually predated the rise of Roman Ops. Cybele is one of my personal favorite crazy antagonists, because she's both sometimes benevolent - she served as protectress of some cities and occasionally provided hidden wisdom and prophecies to her worshipers - and sometimes violently insane and dangerous, to the point that her worship was eventually banned in most areas of the ancient world. She was most well-known as a goddess of mysterious visions, drunkenness and hallucinations, and terrifying orgiastic rituals that sometimes included male celebrants castrating themselves in her honor. It's craziness on an epic and frightening scale, and it's not hard to see why, despite her inexplicable popularity, various kings and emperors tried to stamp out her worship to stem the flow of insane drunken murders and mutilations.
The Greeks, once they realized that Cybele had a very prominent cult and was clearly no one to be fucked with, decided that she must be the same person as Rhea, and that she had fled from Cronus' anger after saving her children to go mad in the mountains of Phyrgia to the east; it's not a stretch to believe that poor Rhea might go bonkers, especially since her attempts to save her children resulted in said children killing or imprisoning everyone in her immediate family and taking over the world that she had once ruled with her husband. As a figure representing motherhood, madness and mystery, she might be a good candidate to join the Avatars of Comprenion as the representation of madness revealing enlightenment to those who can handle it, or again as part of Terra thanks to her connection to mountains and wildlands.
I'd probably consider Rhea and Cybele to be the same for Scion's purposes; it works very well, from explaining why Rhea's not around anymore to explaining why Zeus and company seem to have accepted Cybele's cult without so much as a peep of protest. Depending on how thoroughly you want her to oppose the gods, you could play her madness plenty of ways: she might have good days when she remembers that they're her children and aids them or bad days when she only remembers their crimes against her family and wants them punished, or she could have no memory of being Rhea at all, having become and elusive wild card that the gods might or might not want to get involved in their troubles. If you really want her to be an antagonist, it's easy to rule that Zeus had her belatedly dumped into Tartarus as well after he realized that she had gone nuts; if you want her to stay more ambiguous, she might never have been imprisoned, and Zeus and his siblings probably just hem and haw and try not to talk about her if at all possible.
I know John's going to call me out because he knows about my passionate love of Cybele and how much I want her to be in Scion somewhere, but she's still probably the first place I'd go to include the mother of the Olympians. Just think of all the fun you could have with Scions trying to redeem her or trying to work around her because their parents have forbidden them to actively fight her - not to mention the earth-shaking parties she and Dionysus could throw if they ever got together!
I always thought there would be no love lost between Rhea and her family considering none of them raised a hand to help her when her husband was eating their children. I would play Rhea as living in her own little corner of the world, neither god nor titan since she was shunned by her family and would probably not be welcomed by any titan and still to inhuman to be a god. She would be angry that her family was in tartarus, but blaming her family for forcing her children to rise up against them. She would be sane and a good source of ancient wisdom, but extremely hard to find and requiring payment for her advice, even from the gods.
ReplyDeleteScion doesn't have any such thing as "neither god nor Titan", though; unless you invent a new category of beings entirely just for Rhea (which I wouldn't recommend unless you have a concrete plan for what their rules are and why they exist), she has to be one or the other. She's by definition a Titan, and is explicitly called a Titaness by Hesiod and Homer. That doesn't mean she has to be evil; it just means she's distant from humanity and primarily concerned with the gods and primal forces of the universe (which doesn't mean she can't be sympathetic - motherhood is a great universal concept to apply to her, after all). The other Titans may not like her (though I've always thought of her as sort of like the Switzerland of Titans, so I don't know if they'd be actively mad at her), but that doesn't make her not a Titan herself.
DeleteI do think any of your ideas could work, though - she might be angry over the Titans' treatment or cautiously neutral or even benevolent to those who treat her well. It's all in how your story wants to use her and what your PCs decide to do that changes (or doesn't) her point of view.
Gotta disagree.... Rhea is most definitely Titanic (even by the true sense of the word being the ones who came before the Gods)
ReplyDeleteHave you ever had a truly traumatic experience? Sure Rhea probably has integrity out the wahzoo, but she watched her crazy ass murderous husband flip his shit and their first born because he didn't want the same thing to happen to him.
THEN she was forced to have more babies!!
She's definitely a Titan. I'd think she embodies Health and Chaos. But from what i've seen at least in our games, not all titans are purely malevolent.
Some may try to stay neutral like Oceanus and Erebus (i think thats right... if not TPTB will correct me) and i fully believe that she would want to fall into those ranks. She probably is a hermit who doesn't want to be found... hell i could believe her falling in with Aten and becoming a titan of Nunneries! The hell if she'd ever become involved with the male machismo ever again (Hey anne, i'm giving myself 2 points for using that word without a thesaurus).
She's definitely a cool plot device. But she's definately a titan who probably has PTSD. Good luck dealing with her.....
You're right - Oceanus is definitely noted as neutral during the Titanomachy, as well as refusing to take sides during Cronus' overthrow of Uranus. No one ever says one way or another for Erebus, but he's such an ancient and primordial figure - one of the most Titany of Titans, if you will - that I'd agree that he probably wasn't counted among the ranks of the generations that actually fought the gods.
DeleteTwo points granted. Also, lololol Titan of Nunneries.
The GM in our game ran her as an Avatar of the Titan of Love, and she was batshit loco because she was supposed to represent (I think, the game was a year ago) selfless love and her mind couldn't handle what happened after Zeus & co. overthrew Grandaddy. She basically was a crazy wildcard who went around intervening in situations for both sides. She once saved our group's asses from an angry and pissed off Ishtar and then four months later went after our resident Loa for being an irresponsible mother. The ensuing carnage ended with a third of the population of the Azores dead.
ReplyDeleteSounds like pretty much how I'd run a Cybele-Rhea Titan. :) Batshit insane but ultimately motivated by twisted love/altruism. Fun times for all!
DeleteI said neither god nor titan because no greater titan would accept her as an avatar after what happened in the titanomacy and she's to titany already to be a god.
ReplyDeleteI don't think greater Titans have any say in who they "accept" as an Avatar; they're not really conscious or thinking beings, and Avatars are expressions of the core concepts the realm embodies, not people they hired because they liked them. I don't see any reason a Titan Avatar couldn't betray the other Avatars (or even the realm as a whole, if they made some impressive rolls against their Zealotry) and still be an Avatar afterward; after all, Titans screw each other over just as much as they do with the gods, and even if she has to avoid the other Avatars because they might want to kill her, that wouldn't make her not an Avatar anymore.
DeleteI agree, though, she's definitely not a god.