Question: How many cultures allowed women to become warriors? We hear about them in popular culture, but how true is it considering that the gods have such fierce female warriors like Sekhmet, Ishtar, the Morrigan, Athena, and Kali?
It's time for History Corner again! Women warriors are indeed a real phenomenon in various cultures throughout history, but they are generally the exception; it's much more common that the vast bulk of warriors were male, with a few female exceptions such as the Spartan women who fought at Troy or the pre-Islamic Persian women who marched into battle along with their men. It's more likely that you'll see a few really famous or important names as generals or advisors than that you'll find evidence of women being common in the military itself; soldiers' graves and archaeological evidence usually point toward the overwhelming majority of warriors and soldiers being men, but once in a while you'll have a woman in a position of tactical or wartime power, and history tends to remember them exactly because they were rare and impressive.
But those women who are warriors are pretty much exclusively badasses, from Boudicca (or Boadicea, for the old scholars in the audience), the Celtic queen who led one of the most successful revolts against the Roman Empire, to Ahhotep, the Egyptian queen who kicked the Upper Kingdom's ass until it settled down, to Vishpala, a Hindu warrior who had her lost leg replaced by an iron prosthesis so she could go back into battle, to Empress Jingu, who just shrugged and tied her belly up so that pregnancy wouldn't inconvenience her enough to stop her from conquering Korea. It's a lot less common, but there are also occasional tales of full units of female warriors, particularly as you get east - Scythia is famous for having mass graves of female warriors as well as males, something you rarely see in western Europe.
Warrior goddesses are interesting, because they really represent how that culture feels about the idea of women as powerful or warlike forces; their presence doesn't always mean that women were considered to be appropriate as warriors, but it does always have something to say about the culture's perceptions of gender roles. Amaterasu's impressive war dance, which frightens even Susano-o into not fucking with her for a little while, recalls the ancient Japanese matriarchy, illustrating that she's a powerful figure through the metaphor of war; the Morrigan's ironclad control over who lives and who dies in battle is a not-so-subtle reflection of the Celtic fear of women in power being able to rule or destroy lives (Queen Medb in the same stories is another, smaller-scale examples of this). Other goddesses, like Ishtar, Sekhmet, Oya or Kali, instead represent the unfettered chaotic power of the female, which must be harnessed and controlled by a male (Tammuz or Ptah/Ra or Shango or Shiva, in their cases) to prevent it from rampaging around destroying everything; they're both acknowledgments that women could be considered powerful and examples of why they had to be controlled in their societies to prevent them from raining that chaotic warlike power down on everyone. Some war goddesses, like Athena, Anahita or Freya, are female to reflect the exact opposite - level-headedness, tactics and reason in war, in contrast to the more masculine warrior ideals of bloodlust and physical strength (and there's usually a male warrior god - for those examples, Ares, Mithra and Odin - to show the contrast between the two ideas).
Even the absence of female warrior goddesses tells you something about that culture; for examples, the Aztecs do not have a major goddess associated with war, and instead considered the struggle of childbirth to be a woman's equivalent to battle (up to and including according her the same honors as a fallen warrior if she died while giving birth). In a sense, this makes all Aztec goddesses (and all Aztec women) warriors, since they're almost all associated with fertility and childbirth - but when they take on the traditionally masculine role of a warrior, as in the myth of Chimalman/Coatlicue confronting and fighting Mixcoatl, they are invariably punished in some way for messing around with the natural order of things. It's a culture that considered all its people to be warriors, but that did not have room for a female trying to move to the "male" warrior role.
Of course, these are all ancient perceptions, and furthermore it's a case where the rules of humanity don't necessarily apply to the gods - just because we have no record of any women ever being warriors or military commanders in Babylon doesn't prevent Ishtar from being the queen of the divine battlefield. It's one of the many areas in which female Scions can really shine and make some choices and decisions that affect the divine landscape; they're modern people with modern ideas, including modern perceptions of women, and as such they may challenge the status quo or make the more male-dominated pantheons uncomfortable with their new ideas. Several in our games have started doing so, from Eztli, who some of the Aztec gods have started referring to as Tlazohtlaloni's husband, performing both the roles of childbirther and warrior, to Jioni, bringing new women into the traditionally very male Loa and campaigning for their equal rights in councils and politics, to Aiona, who has managed to systematically avoid exhibiting any of the expected traits of Greek goddesses, leaving her looking like a confusingly neutral-sex creature to the patriarchally traditional Dodekatheon.
Not every game is going to be into having a subtextual Women's Studies class every game, of course, but for those that are interested in the topic, shaking up the ancient ideals of women and replacing them with new ones is a worthy goal and a legendary quest for any Scion, male or female (or swapping between the two, I'm looking at you, Undeniable Resemblance-users).
Boudica one of the more successful rebellions against Rome? The Successful ones actually.. succeeded either putting their guy in charge as emperor or being part of the decline of the Roman West. Even as failures go she's barely a footnote(going so far as to be unremembered by British history until the Renessance), she's no Sparticus.
ReplyDeleteI say most successful because, strictly speaking, there really weren't any totally successful Celtic rebellions on the mainland for most of Rome's run there (until everything fell apart at the end, of course). Most people who "succeeded" basically just got their dude into power for a few months and then got rolled back over again, which is what Boudicca did as well. Alas for the Celtic tribes not in Britain itself; Rome was kind of a dick to them.
DeleteI particularly like Boudicca in Scion because of the story of her sacrificing a rabbit to Andarta/Andraste to ask the goddess to grant her the animal's legendary ferocity when cornered. A good starting point for plot stuff (and a good choice if you're running with the Nemetondevos reincarnation stuff and looking for a badass to drop into your mortal Scion).
I was comparing it to stuff like the Jewish Revolt, Sparticus or any story that ends with "and then they sacked Rome" or "And that's why He's the new emperor"
DeleteAs celtic rebellion's go its ok, but compared to other? I think its more a historical foot note(and thus why it was relatively unknown until the Renessance)
Its a tricky sentence. But if you reread it, you should see that it can be read as your reading it. Or it can be read to mean, "one of the most successful celtic revolts." Its what anne means when she re-explained above. Obviously there were other revolts against rome that were more successful. But it was one of the more successful, if not the most successful celtic one.
DeleteYeah - Boudicca's Celtic, so I was referring specifically to the Celtic revolts against Rome. Sorry if I was unclear. :)
Deleteso what about the Norse? From what I read it was common for young girls to become raiders alongside the boys or at least more common than other parts of the world. In the sagas there was the story of a women who spent her youth as a viking raider then settled down, married a king and had children she brought up to be bloodthirsty little bastards.
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DeleteThey follow the same general mold I was talking about in the post above - there were definitely a few as in the story you mention (which saga are you referencing, by the way?), but they were far outnumbered by men and it wasn't commonplace. There are records of female raiders, but they're usually the exception, not the rule, which is how most ancient cultures tend to roll.
DeleteWe are pretty sure that women got more martial training in Norse culture than a lot of others, however - they weren't expected to go out and be warriors, but they were trained to use weapons in case a neighboring tribe decided to get uppity and try to raid the village. A sort of last-minute defense force, if you will, if the place ended up under attack.
I think it was the prose edda. So in that way the Norse were like the Japanese. Female Samurais were rare but women were commonly trained in self-defense to protect there homes while there husbands were away at war. And even if they weren't soldiers in both Japan and Northern Europe women were masters of the house at least while the men were away fighting (and probably when the men were home at least privately.) And in many places in northern Europe (Iceland for one) women owned property. I'm a fan of believing that in the cold climate where everyone had to fight to survive the Norse didn't have as much time to dwell on gender roles and expectations as cultures in warmer climes (though I'm sure they still did).
DeleteYour taking a bit about a particular woman, and assuming it applies to all women. And thats precisely what the long post is about. When a culture has one story about a woman that does something amazing, it is usually a story about how ODD it is that a woman did that. I've read a lot, but my sociology isnt quite up to par with my mythology, so if you'd link some studies about women have equality in these ancient cultures I'd read it(studies are done by scientists with degrees) and be happy to eat my words if I'm wrong.
DeleteThey had a whole module on my archaeology degree that was gender and inequality in ancient societies and there is a lot on the subject if one is interested.
DeleteI didn't take that one myself but the general consensus I heard from those that did was that gender equality in ancient societies was pretty much a romanticised myth.
Women seemed to range from being property to at best second-class subjects depending on the civlisation.
The only one I know of in particular was Ancient (Peloponnesian Wars period) Athens where they were locked indoors all the time and not allowed to do much at all. Compared with Sparta where they had the run of the house, helots and family because all the men were living at the Agoge.
Yes, exactly. Thats is my understanding of ancient studies as well.
DeleteWait, wait wait, you're telling me ancient people's tended to only write only about really important stuff? So there was a constant series of Trojan wars? there weren't a million Grendels? The Chinese army wasn't filled with women pretending to be men to keep their elderly father from dying in battle? I am shocked... shocked.
Deletego to this website http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/18/iceland and read the article. It talks about some of the power icelandic women had during the viking era.
ReplyDeleteI read the article. And it sounded like someone who wasnt very studied in actual sociology. So I looked up the author...and shes dropped out of school...and she was in school studying piano. She is not a scientist, she works for the city, and is just promoting her city and getting tourism.
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