Question: How do you guys handle Birthright Creatures, Followers, Guides? Do you allow them to progress with the Scion, or do they just progressively suck as the Scion ascends the divine ranks? (If not do you have a formula for how they advance?)
Birthright Creatures and Followers do indeed progress along with a Scion! Our basic formula is on the House Rules page, but I'll reproduce it here for ya:
Followers and creatures gain in power along with their controller. One to two followers are 2 Legend behind their Scion; 3 to 4 followers are 3 Legend behind, and 5 or more followers are 4 Legend behind.
That gives you the basic shape, but it doesn't give direct guidelines for increasing the stats of Followers or Creatures. You're not alone, however - we've had many questions on the subject, so here are a bunch of old posts about it:
Follower/Creature Basics
Groups of Followers/Creatures versus Single Ones
Upgrade Process for Followers/Creatures
Follower/Creature Character Sheets
Stats for Creatures of Various Levels
General Usefulness of Followers
Hopefully you'll find something in there that helps, and you can also try the search box over on the right to parse through old posts if there are other keywords that might get you the results you're looking for.
Guides, on the other hand, do not automatically increase as you go up in Legend. A Guide's rating should be based on how powerful and knowledgeable the Guide is and how easy they are to contact; a Guide who is simply a mortal expert will not become a Legendary expert over time, though he'll still be useful for mortal-level knowledge. You can try to get them upgraded at the Demigod and God jumps, though, which are usually when we throw around a bunch of Birthright points.
Hello, Decided to post a comment here instead of bothering you with a new question:
ReplyDeleteAs stated in your house-rules and the above post you mentioned that Creatures/Followers start off two points below the PC.
How does the point value of the Follower/Creature come into this?
For Example: A Coutl is a 3 point creature (Legend 2) as per core. How much would it's Birthright cost be in your game for Legend 4 PC (Assuming that's the earliest that it can be purchased)?
I did try looking for some clue as to how you structure Birthright costs for a Creature/Follower in the your Linked posts but I couldn't find a reference to such. The closest that I could find was a reference to upgrade costs at Demi & God Level.
Thanks in advance for reading and especially for running sucha a great site.
Hey, there, welcome aboard!
DeleteThe point value tells you how efficacious the creatures are, but has nothing to do with their Legend level. A four-dot Creature Birthright is worth more than a 3-dot one, so the 4-dot creature should be better than the 3-dot one in some way - more versatile, more powerful, more intelligent, whatever. Splitting a Birthright into several creatures lowers their Legend relative to the Scion, but doesn't necessarily change what they are - if one Scion has a Legend 2 coatl and another has two Legend 1 coatl, the two Birthrights should be roughly equal in power, despite the fact that one is higher Legend than the other.
Essentially, it's not the creatures themselves that are 3 or 4 points each; it's the Creature Birthright that's 3 or 4 points, and the number of creatures it grants affects how powerful they are. Three-dot Creature Birthrights should always stack up about equal when compared to one another, regardless of how many critters are involved.
We'd suggest ignoring the cockamamie creature stats in the books, which seldom make any sense, and adjusting Creature templates to suit the Scion who owns them. The Creature birthrights in the books don't even make sense with the RAW system most of the time, let alone ours.
Instead of saying, "This creature is worth X birthright points," we always say, "Spend X birthright points on the creature(s) you want, and we'll stat them appropriately." Make sense?