Sunday, April 28, 2013

Gods of Gojoseon

Question: So, I'm currently researching the Korean pantheon with the idea of working them into a playable pantheon. Have you considered doing this, and what general thoughts do you have on them?

Well, you guys know me; I've considered making pretty much everybody playable. If I had the ability to type and create twenty-four hours a day without dropping dead from exhaustion or being evicted from my house, I'd probably have produced five more extra pantheons by now and still be drooling thinking about what awesome stories the next one might have in store. I actually came within a hair of putting the Korean pantheon on the voting poll for the next project this time, but decided against it since Tibet was already there representing Asia, and was more recognizable to most voters to boot.

The Korean pantheon is a weird, weird set of gods, and they absolutely tickle me. They're pretty obscure; most people in the west aren't even aware that Korea had a separate pantheon, assuming they were all doing some general Asian thing like Buddhism over there if they think about it at all. That's not totally off-base, because the Korean gods are certainly heavily influenced by both the Shen (and by extension the Devas, those Buddhism-spawning magnates of Asian religion) and the Amatsukami, but like all cultures' religions they have their own unique figures, concepts and takes on the things they borrow.

They're also exceptionally hard to find information about in English; I know we whine about that for a lot of gods, but even the Chinese pantheon has nothing on these guys. Most of their stories were orally preserved and therefore basically forgotten when modern religions took the area over, and those that remain are very seldom translated into English because, well, do them white people in Europe and the Americas even care? Most of them don't even know Korea had an indigenous religion, much less give a damn who it was about! At best you can find folktales and small-scale stories that give you a flavor of the local folklore, but that leave the ancient gods out entirely.

But, anyway, yes, there are Korean gods and I'd love to see them ready to go in Scion someday. They're as fabulously out of control as the gods of any other pantheon: Taebyolwang and Sobyolwang, the creator gods of the sun and moon who are constantly arguing with one another over who should be the dominant power; Kangim, the lord of the Underworld who works to reduce the fear of hapless humanity of his unknown realm; Chachongbi, the goddess of agriculture who is having none of your shit and, when asked to masquerade as a man, used a reed to make sure she could piss further than any other man around; Hwang Uyang, the protector of hearth and home, who leads the spirits of divine ancestors and protects or lets languish the good fortune of the families who honor him. There's also a heavy emphasis on divine figures cheating at honorable games, which inevitably leads to disaster and sets the course of the world in some detrimental way, and the interpretations of Buddhism are absolutely hilarious. In particular, the great creator god Maitreya has the same name as one of the foretold Buddhas but absolutely nothing else in common with him, and the evil antagonistic cheater god Sakyamuni who fights against him is one of the alternative names of Gautama Buddha, meaning either the Koreans are hilarious in their subtle digs at Buddhism or some seriously weird shit is going down on the divine plains of upper Asia.

I don't know if the Korean gods will become a big project for us any time soon; as I said, few people are aware of their existence which doesn't exactly put them in great demand, and the absolute bitchfits needed to find any reliable information on their divine legends are expensive and exhausting. If you're researching them and come up with any awesome sources for information on them, please share! The best source we've got on them by far is Choi Won-Oh's An Illustrated Guide to Korean Mythology; it's hard to come by, suffers from occasional translation troubles (it was written by a Korean author, and once in a while there's a slip-up in the text) and is one of the most expensive books we own, but it's got a lot of great stories that are hard to find elsewhere.

Until then, we salute you for bringing Korea into the game. They deserve it every bit as much as every other culture.

12 comments:

  1. I could've sworn that this exact same topic came up somewhere on one of the Scion sites out there not so long ago.

    The Korean pantheon sounds fascinating, though at least part of that might be because of new pantheon smell. That said, it also seems like it'd be one of those pantheons where the translation into a full-fledged faction results in drinking. Lots and lots of drinking.

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    1. That new pantheon smell is pretty irresistible.

      But oh, yeah, lots of drinking.

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  2. How about the Vietnamese gods? What I've seen is pretty interesting, and it would be neat to see an Asian pantheon that isn't Japanese or Chinese. [In that alternate universe where you win the lottery and spend your days writing Scion goodies...]

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    1. They're even harder, but they do in fact exist. :)

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  3. Huh. I did a little research on Korean gods a long time ago hoping to set up a Scion pantheon. The gods I was pulled out seem very different from the gods you listed. Hwanung, Hwanin, Dalnim, Haenim, Habaek and others featured prominently. Are these all from the same Korean pantheon stew, or are we pulling from different mythological traditions in Korea?

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    1. Hwanin/Hwanung and Habaek are definitely familiar to me - Pae-Gang's Korean Myths & Folk Legends, right? Since so much of Korean mythology was orally handed down by various regional shamans, it's likely to all be part of the same stew, just with varying rituals or centers telling stories of different local gods with more or less importance. There are definitely rival traditions thanks to this system - I mentioned Taebyolwang and Sobyolwang as the sun and moon gods above, but in the same book I've also got Kungsan and Ilwol as the sun and moon deities, and then elsewhere Mireuk as the sole celestial god. There are a lot of different traditions that are uniquely Korean but not necessarily overlapping in all areas.

      Which is one of the many messy things about working on the pantheon - trying to distill who's most important and who's just a regional variation, etc.

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    2. Hey anne and john
      Im a longtime fan.if a Korean pantheon is made,i think they would be highly hostile to both the Chinese and Japanese pantheons based on the badblood between them with invasions and such.i dont know if you guys have the dictionary of ancient deities,its a wonderful resource based on over 20yrs of research from the authors who researched around the world.it has info on obscure gods and would compliment your current pantheons,the ones your working on and those to come.=)
      Your friend omnidragon

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    3. Thanks for the recommendation! There are a lot of books with similar titles - do you know who the authors/editors are?

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    4. Hey anne,this is omnidragon.the authors for the dictionary of ancient deities are patricia turner and charles russel coulter =) i also have 3 other books that might be helpful to you guys; the dictionary of mytholigy by j.a. Coleman
      The element encyclopedia of magical creatures(good source for new titanspawn =)) by john and caitlin matthews

      Giants,monsters and dragons(an encyclopedia of folklore,legend, and myth) by carol rose
      I hope this info helps you guys out some
      Omnidragon

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    5. Thanks very much, sir or madam!

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    6. Its a sir, u guys can call me jason if u want but i will sign as omnidragon =) i hope those books helps you out,lol your players are going hate me lol =)

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  4. http://books.google.de/books?id=jEcpkWjYOZQC&dq=dictionary+of+ancient+deities&hl=de&sa=X&ei=x69-UbP6F6TL4ASSq4DIAg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA

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