Saturday, December 22, 2012

De-Unification Theory

Question: If some (very!) heroic Scion were to save Atarsamain from Whedh, what would be the reaction from the Alihah? From Ruda? Would there be any reward? I imagine the Scion would quickly get many friends. I've read your Alihah story, and I really want my Aesir Scion to go out there and save at least someone from Whedh.

Ambitious, but awesome! Saving someone from Whedh is a very tall order - dangerous, difficult, likely to change you forever - but not completely impossible.

Atarsamain and Nuha have been gone a very long time; they were swallowed by Whedh back in the first Titan war, and therefore haven't really existed except as part of Allah's realm for many centuries. They have no prayer of becoming themselves again (or even of remembering they had selves in the first place) without outside help, which is where your Scion can come in. He or she will have to organize an impressive outing of gods to get this done, but it definitely can be done.

You'll first need to find the right approximate "part" of Whedh to look for them; technically all of Whedh is the same place and it doesn't really have parts, so your Storyteller might rule that you can do this anywhere, but the popular Alihah legend that the throne of Allah is made of the stuff that was once the essence of absorbed gods is a good place to start if you need to look further. I would probably require some pretty hefty Occult, Mystery or other related rolls to try to latch onto the right goddesses - Whedh has swallowed many, many, many people over time, gods included, and it might be hard to find the specific deities you're trying to rescue when they're part of that huge composite. You'll also need a god to use the Wyrd, which is the only power great enough to find and separate the strands of Nuha's and Atarsamain's fates from the mass of Whedh that they are currently part of. Once you've done that, different Storytellers may want to run with different things that have to happen; you may need someone with a lot of Health to reconstruct new bodies for the fallen goddesses, warriors to fight off encroaching ghilan, psychopomps to help everyone escape before Allah (who may or may not be alerted as soon as you start doing this) from thundering down on everyone, or simply enough strength to drag these goddesses who haven't been separated from the realm since time immemorial physically away from it. It will no doubt be dangerous and harrowing - opposing a Titan in his own realm is a ballsy move indeed!

If you succeeded in such a thing, however, you would probably indeed be something of a hero. The Alihah can use every deity they can get, and they would undoubtedly be very glad to see the goddesses back on their side; poor Ruda's mental problems come from overexposure to Whedh and probably won't disappear, but even so he'd probably be overjoyed to be reunited with his family. You'd probably be considered an ally of the Alihah as a whole, and Ruda himself might offer you some reward if he has one - if you're a dude, hey, he's got this daughter you just rescued, so care for a marriage alliance? - or give you a promise of help at some time in the future when you need it.

Of course, there could be pretty potent downsides, too. Going into Whedh is exceptionally dangerous, which is why the Alihah haven't tried to rescue too many of their lost gods themselves - the whole time you're in there it will be trying to absorb you and your relics, and you're like to come out permanently different from when you went in. This is a danger for anyone you bring with you, too, and if one of your allies dies while helping you, you may have to deal with the weighty consequences among his friends, family and pantheon. Atarsamain and Nuha themselves may be slightly odd - even more than Ruda, they've not only been exposed to Whedh but actually wholly eaten by it, and they may not be entirely themselves when they return. Finally, Allah may come down in his wrath as a result of your theft - either head-on at the Alihah, who might or might not be in a position to scramble fast enough to deal with him, or at you or your home pantheon for this affront you've just perpetrated. (Though if that's the case, at least the Alihah will have another reason to like you - thanks for the breather, man!)

Nuha and Atarsamain are but two of the ancient Arab deities that have succumbed to Whedh's all-encompassing hunger. It's equally possible to rescue others, and depending on Storyteller decision, any number of minor, mostly-forgotten Arab gods might be in the great mass of Whedh waiting to be rediscovered. Most gods aren't going to be excited about the idea - that's a horrible hellscape that eats relics and destroys personalities! No one wants to go in there for some minor goddess who died millennia ago! - but a Scion with a silver enough tongue, a strong enough determination and a good enough argument could still make it happen.

Invest in Willpower, Integrity and Stamina, and take good friends. It's dangerous to go alone.

10 comments:

  1. Huh, so you can use The Wyrd inside a Titanrealm?

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    1. We haven't yet worked out how or if that will be possible (Avatars and Ultimates, still one of our upcoming projects!). But if you can't, it could probably still be used outside the realm to either help shake those particular strands of Fate loose or perhaps empower someone else to be able to find them once in Whedh. Purview Avatars are so powerful that it's hard to find something they can't find a way to do.

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  2. The one who asked the question here!

    Marriage-alliance, hm?
    That sounds like it could be hilarious.
    My character wouldn't really think of it, when he'd set this up, but having it happen to him strikes me as something that could set up all kinds of fun stuff in the future - especially since he'd be caught totally unaware of it happening, and then Odin would come and tell him he's getting married to the one he saved!
    It'd probably do ol' Jonathan some good to get married, come to think of it.

    Plus, would definitely make for a great story, and could end up with a new legend being made out of this - as said, rescuing someone from this place has to be an act worthy of myth!


    Would the Alilah be ok with a marriage-alliance happening, if you don't mind me asking?
    You know more of them than I do!

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    1. One of the primary uses of daughters in ancient Arabia was to seal marriage alliances between different tribes, so I imagine the idea would make sense to them. Of course, they'd probably expect the Aesir to then help them out with their problems since everybody is family now, but hey, you could always ask for the same in return!

      Even if you didn't succeed, just making the attempt at something this huge and crazy is probably myth-worthy.

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    2. Hah, yeah, this is going to be huge, and should lead to lots of interesting stuff happening!

      And, alright then - if the Alilah would be ok with it, it sounds like an interesting plot to happen.
      And, well, it's the Aesir - the Alilah would have to be happy about getting help from them.

      My worry was mostly that one of the members of the pantheon might be upset, that Atarsamain would marry someone from outside their pantheon, after she'd been brought back.
      But if they saw it as a way to set up an alliance, that could work out pretty well.

      Plus, well, I think it could also be a pretty sweet romance, and that's always fun, after you've fought through a Titanrealm to save someone.


      Hm, come to think of it, I think that could also be a reason why Odin would want the marriage to happen - another pantheon, with Scions and such, could be very nice to have for Ragnarok.

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  3. Whats funny is, I had the same idea. I was having the idea of a psychopump with magic and possible guardian to be doing stuff like this. Basically, I wanted to make a person that was a treasure hunter that would find lost relics and some beings of power that were part of the Alihah. Then afterwards when he was higher level god, he be doing stuff like that, going into titan realms not to fight the titan avatars, but getting people the hell out of it if and when they needed to do.

    The idea of the myth with me was not soloing the mission to save them, but having as few people with me to go in and try to save as many gods and goddesses as he could by having individual containers he would carry into the place to bring them out quickly. He wouldn't do it to be a hero of his pantheon though, he would do it cause these are trapped Allies, people he may of never known, but he feels like he should give it a try.

    The daughter if I remember correctly was a deity of the night. Correct me if I am wrong there. But as a deity of the night, marrying someone who saved you and is a traveler in wastelands some how fits. Lol.

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    1. Psychopomp could definitely also help a lot in this case! I could see a lot of cool applications of it for thi skind of mission.

      Yes, Atarsamain was probably a goddess of the morning star. It might certainly be appropriate for her, as the sort of light heralding coming daylight, to marry her rescuer. :)

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  4. So what about getting a large group of gods together and trying rips as many gods out of the throne as possible in order to try to weaken Allahs power.

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    1. Very dangerous prospect. It would require a massive amount of power - gods busting off the Wyrd right and left, a large strike force into the Titanrealm of people who might or might not come back - and that would leave the Alihah and whatever other gods were involved dangerously vulnerable while it was happening (not to mention afterward if they lost anybody). Just being in Whedh is extremely dangerous for gods; trying to go in and stay in long enough to rip the place apart would be very difficult and very dangerous. Plus, if Allah chose that moment to turn up, it might turn into a rout.

      It could happen, but I would think it'd be very, very unlikely that enough gods wanted to spend so much power and weaken themselves so much in doing so. Allah's power wouldn't really be weakened by it - he doesn't "get power" from the things he absorbs, really - but theirs definitely would. It would depend on whether or not they thought the people they got back were worth that kind of large-scale danger and expenditure.

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  5. "It's dangerous to go alone" I rofled all the way to eternity...

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