Question: Okay you knew this question was coming. You know your article "All The Fiddly Bits"? Now that they're done, could we get that for the Alihah, please?
Question: Since posting your "Race Relations" article, you have written two more pantheons. Would you mind telling us how the first three and the new two get along?
Someone actually wasn't patient enough for the question box and already asked about the fiddly bits, so that original post has been updated here. Go forth and learn specifics!
As for relations between the pantheons, that's a longer and stickier post! Let me try to break it down a little bit here:
The Apu have little contact with the middle eastern pantheons, which are far away and generally look pretty strange to them, but they have a lot of common ground with the Alihah, who similarly respect the importance of the World and its natural foci of power. They do not get along very well with the Elohim, whom they consider loose cannons with no regard for the damage they cause in their personal spats (but, unfortunately, the Apu themselves are likely to get into those spats with them out of outrage). The Anunna tend to look down their noses at the Apu, who are obviously too wrapped up in the petty concerns of the world to aspire to true power; the Apu in turn mostly ignore the ancient, obviously out-of-touch gods of Mesopotamia. While they tend to express it very differently, the Apu and Bogovi actually have a lot in common in their desire to steward the world and its natural cycles, but unfortunately they usually can't agree on method, and the Bogovi are especially likely to be very intolerant of the Apu practice of being strong divine presences in the world of mortals.
The Alihah, in contrast, are traditional allies of the Elohim, with whom they shared some worshipers and whom they have always considered fairly friendly neighbors. The Alihah recognize that the Elohim can be kind of insane and take care not to upset them by horning in on what they consider their "territory" too much, but the Elohim in turn aren't very threatened by a pantheon that seems largely nomadic to them, and enjoy them as polite visitors who come by every now and then. The Anunna are one of the few pantheons to actually respect the Alihah as a power in their own right, as they remember them at the height of their religion and are so old themselves that they don't consider having no presence in the world any measure of importance. They still think of the roving Alihah as slightly barbaric and childish, but then again, they think that about everybody. Finally, the Bogovi are distantly polite with the Arab gods; they don't have a lot in common and are confused by what seems to them like an unstructured, rootless pantheon that must have trouble functioning, but they're willing to aid one another for the good of the war effort even though they really don't get one another.
I should probably brush both posts up and just put a link to them somewhere in the sidebar, so they're easy to find for those laboring with too many PDFs.
Are the Elohim open for play in your 'Eastern Promises' game?
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DeleteNothing is up for play until its up on the pantheon page.
Eastern promises allows: Deva, Pesedjet, Yazata, and Anunna.
Not at the moment, because John is crochety. Although we did have a Scion of Baal make a brief appearance in the Skeins of Fate game (where Sverrir promptly picked a fight with him and then everything was set on fire, drowned and struck with lightning repeatedly).
DeleteSince we write new pantheons to be compatible with Scion-as-written for those who want to use them without using our huge set of house rules, they usually need another round of editing before they can be used in our games. That's what we're doing with the Bogovi right now.
Do you plan on putting 'Get the Elohim on the Pantheons Page' on your list of things to do after the Bogovi? (I have a huge soft spot for the Elohim)
DeleteThey're a little farther off probably. Anne and I need time to management our massive disagreements(fights) about new or revised pantheons.
DeleteThey're fights of love, though. Fights of love.
Delete(I also have a huge soft spot for the Canaanites, like, they might be my favorite ever. So I'm with you.)
What do you like about them? I mean they seem to be the harshest of any pantheon on humanity, calling for human sacrifices and then sending said sacrifices to their muck realm of an underworld along with everyone else. They seem to take and take and I don't see any give in return.
ReplyDeleteI think they're one of the most interesting pantheons out there! They're vibrant and larger-than-life and they have some of the coolest myths about their exploits, not to mention clearly influencing some of their neighbors (most notably the Greeks). I have to admit I also find the ancient culture of that part of the world pretty fascinating.
DeleteThey actually do provide all the important functions of gods in other cultures as well. Baal is the life-giving fertility god who dies to bring the crops back, Dagon is an all-important provider of food, and all of the gods grant their power to the cities they're patrons of, granting them extra prosperity as long as they continue to please them. Pretty much the usual situation for most pantheons, really.
I love Malak! It's probably one of the coolest PSPs as I feel it really makes you into a God, like the God of the Hebrews from the Bible (due to His origins among the Elohim.) You get to make your own Messiah and create a Kingdom of Heaven.
DeleteI think it's the fact that they are the closest to a Jewish perspective of God that I like them so much, as it's easier to see them as GODS instead of just incredibly powerful cosmic supernaturals.
I like that they really have that old god feel, like you can really think theyre these ancient gods from before the dawn of giving any fucks.
DeleteThe Anunna are older and as far as I know they don't require the sacrificing children. Also while Irkallu is like the fields of Asphodel for everyone at least it isn't a filthy swamp. Speaking of which, what led the Cannanites to believe in such an underworld anyway? I mean at least Irkallu can be seen as a symbolic view of death and the netherworld as the dark fearful and shadowy unknown of death, the world no one sees until they journey there, a journey they never return from.
ReplyDeleteWell, the Anunna are older than everybody, that's a given. :)
DeleteNah, we don't know of any child-sacrificing for the ancient Mesopotamians (though they did pretty brutally murder retainers of important people who died, the better to send them along to the afterlife together). But lots of ancient religions practiced some form of human sacrifice (almost everyone, in fact), sometimes including children (the Aztlanti and Apu, most notably), and are still totally interesting to read and use in Scion. We're not here to judge an ancient culture's morals by a modern standard, just to come up with the most awesome material to play with in Scion.
Nepesh is at least a little writer invention, so take it with a grain of salt; we know some about the ancient Canaanite underworld (the city of Chamerya ruled over by Mot, the idea of his throat "swallowing" the dead, the concept of the desert surrounding it and the frequent descriptions of it as "moist" or "muddy"), but it's not as clearly spelled out as it is for some cultures, mostly because the Canaanite religion is so old and only partially preserved in writing. I don't know why you couldn't view Nepesh in the same symbolic way, however - it's just as much a journey into the scary, shadowy unknown from which you will never return as Irkallu is.
I like the Annuna because as far as anyone knows they are the first gods to have ever existed. I also like the Sumerian/Babylonian culture. Canaan may have influenced Greece, but Sumeria influenced Canaan. All hail to the cradle of civilization.
ReplyDeleteOh, we love the Anunna, too! They already made it onto the site, so that's how you know even John is on board with their crazy antics!
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