You know, this is a really interesting question, with a few angles going on.
In general, the Greeks don't care if your animal parts look great, they still find them gauche. One of the major features of Greek aesthetic sensibility is the idea of absolute perfection of the human form, of which the gods are the most excellent example; no matter how bangin' awesome you look with your animal parts, they would always believe you'd look better without them. You're supposed to look like the pinnacle of the humanoid form, so even attractive animal parts still represent a deviation from perfection. An Ultimate Appearance god with a tail is always going to be considered doing it wrong, even if he's technically exactly as hot as an Ultimate Appearance god without one.
However, wings are specifically an exception in Greek mythology. Despite the general disdain for people who look inhuman (which, by the way, doesn't only include animal parts - dudes like Priapus are not winning any points, either), many gods do appear with wings on their shoulders without any apparent stigma.
Iris, the rainbow-goddess and messenger of the gods
Eros, god of love
Nike, goddess of victory in battle and competition
Various lesser gods are specifically said to be winged, and ancient writers seem perfectly happy to mention this without seeming to put any negative connotation on it.
The difference here between wings and other animal parts lies largely in their specific symbolism in Greek mythology. Where other animal parts usually represent bestiality, wildness and a lack of civilization and humanity, bird-like wings instead often represent swiftness and the ability to be ever-present, making them obvious choices for gods whose job it is to be everywhere all the time or to rush to and fro on their divine errands. Gods that travel constantly, like Iris, have wings to illustrate their fleetness, while gods that are capable of being present wherever needed, like Eros and Nike as the bringers of love and victory, have wings to show that they can instantly travel to anyone's side. Gods of swiftly-moving natural phenomena also often appear with wings, such as the gods of the four winds and their offspring, or Hypnos and Thanatos, lords of sleep and death, who must travel the world unceasingly to bestow their gifts on mankind.
Basically, in Greek iconography, wings are usually meant to suggest that the god that possesses them has Psychopomp or otherwise travels a lot, rather than meaning they necessarily have anything to do with birds or Animal. In fact, gods that do have to do with birds, like Aphrodite with swans, Hera with peacocks or Apollo with ravens, usually don't appear with bird parts in spite of their association.
So having wings might, depending on your Storyteller's interpretation, be the one permanent animal feature that a young god of the Theoi can get away with without courting social repercussions (the dreaded Greek God Snub). It really depends on whether your ST believes that those gods literally have wings - which they very well might - or prefers the interpretation that those wings are an affectation of Greek artists rather than a literal truth, in which case having actual wings might still be a problem for you. It's also worth noting that only lesser-Legend Greek gods usually rock the wings, which is most likely because grunt-work jobs like carrying messages or presiding tirelessly over human affairs are somewhat beneath the greater gods of Olympus, who are too important to be worrying about someone else's problems all the time. If you do choose to have permanent wings, it's likely that the other Theoi will automatically assume you're jockeying for one of these kinds of jobs, and to assign you to them even if that's not what you wanted; and if you do manage to get away from all of that, they're probably going to start questioning why you're being weird and wearing wings for no apparent reason.
Of course, you can always have animal parts regardless of what the Theoi think about it - it's not illegal to be creature-like, just considered in poor taste. As a new Scion trying to carve out a place for yourself, you can always decide to pal around with the other rustic gods and decide to ignore those stuffy old rules the geezers up on the mountain care about so much, or try to become a beloved figure among the Greek gods and start changing the status quo to become more accepting of alternative styles of beauty. But if you're looking to have a permanent animal feature (with Bestial Nature or relics or whatever else) and want to avoid the whole messy Mean Girls-esque political situation, wings are your best bet.
So building on that, a Theoi demigod with negative/monstrous Epic Appearance would be greatly shunned?
ReplyDeleteO yeah. We did a bit on this a while ago. But ...most importantly....the monstrous/neg appearance gods are almost always shunned.
DeleteBut greeks do this 10 fold.
Hephaestus isn't even hideously ugly, he's just handicapped. All his statues show him as a handsome, muscular man with bitchin abs and huge biceps. No one cares, because he isn't PERFECT. Just forget the whole thing if you're actively ugly instead of just not-perfectly-gorgeous.
DeleteSo what is the GGAT? (Greek Appearance Treshold?) 6 Epic?
DeleteFrom what point on are you considered *not ugly* by the greek gods?
Its a sliding scale. Depending on the god youre talking to....but six epic is probably a good starting area. They believe in perfection, so the closer you are to perfection the better and the farther you are the worse.
DeleteI'd figure the Greeks aren't just looking at Appearance either, well developed minds and bodies are a part of that package too.
DeleteThe PSP is called Arete, which means excellence, being the best you can be. Mechanically, this gives dice. As a concept, Arete applies to everything.
The better you are, physically, mentally and socially, the more you are seen to have Arete in the abstract rather than mechanical sense.
Appearance matters a *lot*, but it's not the sole yardstick.
That's true! What they expect you to be excellent at might vary from god to god, though. When Jioni was in training to try to be a goddess of the Theoi by marriage, Hera expected her to be full of awesome social graces, but Athena expected her to be super smart, and if she'd gone to hang out with Ares he would have expected her to be an excellent fighter.
DeleteThis is one of the reasons they squabble so much, I think - they're all really good at a few things, and then insist on looking down on one another for not being good at the same. Wacky Greeks.
True....but appearance is necessary where the others arent. Ares is a meathead..but hes still ok by their standards. Heph is a genius..but he gets knocked to the bottom of the mountain.
DeleteBasically; if you're ass-ugly (or even just average), they're never gonna look past that, if you are up to spec on Appearance (and without any traits that would be considered flaws), then they start looking at the rest.
DeleteThus Heph can be absolutely awesome at any number of things, even be fairly good looking and they'll not bother because he has a gimped leg. His statues don't really show him as being otherwise bad-looking, but that leg just kills it for him.
The winged gods make lots of appearances in my demigod-level game, specifically Iris, Kratos and Bia (at least, I think Kratos and Bia have wings, if not, oh well, they do now).
ReplyDeleteBut yeah, a lot of noise has been made about the Theoi having serious problems with other "deformities" or physical imperfections. It's one of the reasons the Band was so insistent on wrestling the forbidden knowledge-hungry Scion of Zeus away from the Well of Mimir.
They also recently discovered that Hera had long ago placed a very insidious curse on Hermes, causing his children to tend toward the...unusual.