Question: Do you primarily view the situation in modern Scion as the Titans' escape leading to an upswing in mating between gods and humans (thus making the escape 30+ years or so ago), or that the mating has been consistent historically and that the escape has been relatively recent, thus making it a huge upswing in Visitations only?
This is really something that every game will need to decide for themselves; it's just window-dressing, background fluff that nobody but the Storyteller probably really needs to know, so it's a matter of incidental game flavor. But you asked what we do, so here goes!
While some gods have probably been fraternizing with mortals semi-regularly, most of them probably have not prior to the escape of the Titans. One here or there, sure, but definitely not to the degree they did in Days of Yore, and definitely not to the degree they are now doing in an effort to raise Scions up for the war effort. There are various reasons for this; there are many gods who really don't mess around with mortals much if ever in myth who would have no reason to go around doing that during the pantheons' period of inactivity - it's not like Parvati or Amaterasu or the entire pantheon of the Slavs go around sleeping with mortals at any time ever, so they certainly wouldn't have been doing so without a reason. Then, too, there's the worry that even with Avatars, there's still a possibility of incurring Fatebonds, which would probably deter some of them from bothering with going down to the world to seek romance when there are plenty of lesser immortals around the Overworlds that they could be bothering instead. Finally, and most importantly, making Scions something that are in readily easy and plentiful supply because the gods have oodles of options from their shenanigans devalues them; Scions should be rare, special creatures upon whom the future of the universe and their pantheons rides, and it's hard to do that when they have forty-five identically useful brothers and sisters.
The twenty- to thirty-year lapse really doesn't bother us much; we might think of it as half a lifetime, but that tiny span of time is barely the blink of an eye to a god or a Titan. In fact, it may have been longer; it might have taken some pantheons a few years just to realize that they couldn't handle this on their own and needed shock troops like Scions to help contain it, or some gods may have held out in the name of pride or while they tried to make other alliances or try other rituals to deal with the problem. The Titan War has barely begun in Scion's setting, but that doesn't mean it can't have been around for a few years - when you're dealing with beings who have survived uncounted millennia, a couple of decades doesn't make a very big difference unless you want it to.
Of course, this doesn't mean that some gods haven't been just as actively canoodling with humanity in the ages since they withdrew to the Overworlds; Zeus has almost certainly been just as much of a serial misbehaver during all that time in between as he was before, and those gods who have that sort of personality or inclination probably do have more options available for Visitations than gods who don't. But in general, we prefer the idea that Scions are fairly uncommon and a desperate response by gods who need their powers - it makes them more important and precious in the grand scheme of things, and grants a stronger sense of urgency to the Titan War itself that the gods have only recently been driven to such dire straits.
I agree that it is something that needs to be decided on a storyteller basis - indeed, perhaps even on a -game- basis.
ReplyDeleteFor example, most of the time in our games it's been exactly what the questioner suggested - that there have ALWAYS been a ton of Scions throughout the world, and they were born to mortal parents, and were pretty exceptional mortals, and then died mortal. Only a handful of these Scions have actually been visited throughout the centuries - and even those usually only stayed Heroes, since they only fought mortals and never had anything legendary enough to make them Demigods or Gods - and it's only now that there are a TON of Scions everywhere because the Gods actually have a need for them that will take them from Hero to Demigod to God.
We did have one game, though, in which the Gods really did create the Scions just for the Titan War. Apollo had a Prophecy of the Titans escaping, and warned the other Dodekatheon that the only way the Titans could be stopped would be by having half-mortal children.
(If it had been anyone but Apollo, it would definitely be one hell of a prophecy. 'THE TITANS ARE GOING TO ESCAPE AND THE ONLY WAY TO STOP IS BY HAVING LOTS OF SEX')
I like Jacobs idea that there are tons of scions that stay regular humans with only a select few being visited.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree more with the idea that gods have been visiting the world and have many unvisited Scions, because that makes for a massive amount of plot hooks.
ReplyDeleteBut consider the situation from the other side. If you were a god, why would you hit on mortals? They are just plain uglier, stupider, and ruder than you. Even if you're an idiot like Thor, you can probably land higher quality bed buddies just by virtue of being Thor.
Really, it's almost like bestiality. :(
Don't have to keep awkwardly running into them in Asgard afterward.
DeleteMy major issue, is Legendary creatures(gods, Titans etc) are very much world warping beings even outside Fate doing its thing the raw power alters whatever is around them. Its hard to imagine that history would be largely in human hands with 30 years of Legendary activity.
ReplyDeleteWell, the gods wouldn't be in the world in those 30 years, other than in avatar form to make Scions, for the same reason they need Scions in the first place: they're not going to go down and shape the world's course because they'll get the hell Fatebound out of them.
DeleteTitanspawn are another matter, but I don't think it's impossible. Especially if the larger/more powerful Titanspawn don't get out at first, making some of those menaces things that frighten humanity but don't necessarily wipe them out wholesale, the world could be having plenty of problems but still be largely un-shaped by the divine until the Scions are born. The Titans themselves are being kept out of the World and Overworlds by the gods, so there's really not a lot happening on the planet itself but the little stuff.
That's my view, anyway. :)
It seems very odd with how overtly blatant even the most minor of titanspawn are it would be hard not to start ending up with something changed. I mean its not like there's a Masquerade equivalent.
DeleteOh, there would certainly be local change wherever that Titanspawn was, but if you start with very minor creatures, mortals can still manage to defend themselves. It'd be more like the current urban legends of things like the Jersey Devil or the Chupacabra - some mortals would know they were there, most wouldn't believe it unless they saw it, and the world as a whole would keep ticking.
DeleteIt depends on the ST and how they run it, of course, but I'd start with that for the first several years. Mortals have things like bombs and tanks; most small, low-Legend Titanspawn probably won't be attacking New York because they'd just get murdered, but they might be preying on isolated communities and filling the roles of modern myths just fine.
So an upswing in Horror movie type events? That could work
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