Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Musings on Musehood

Question: Thanks for your work on Titanrealms. I'd like to know, how would you use/stat the Muses of the arts into a Scion game?

After the mental gymnastics of dealing with Odysseus yesterday, the Muses are almost soothingly simple!

The Muses are almost certainly minor goddesses; as the nine famous daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, they have no reason to be antagonistic and no history of doing so, so it's likely that they hang out on Olympus with everyone else, being as delightfully Greek and available for stories in Scion as any others. They tend to appear in myths having to do with artistic contests or celebrations, so it's entirely possible that Scions who are artistically inclined might catch their notice; they've even had Scions in Greek myth themselves (Orpheus, Linus and Hyacinthus). I'd imagine they hang out near Apollo, who is generally their artistic cohort, buddy and occasional lover of several of them in mythology. They would all probably have Charisma associated with them, and if you use a Music or Sound purview, they would all need that as well. I'd consider them each to be around Legend 10.

However, as is always true with classical mythology, there are a lot of options here. The nine Muses - Calliope, Clio, Erato, Euterpe, Melpomene, Polyhymnia, Terpsichore, Thalia and Urania, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne - are the form of the goddesses that have survived most strongly to the present day, but the Muses have been envisioned in different numbers and with different names over time. Some traditions claim there are only three Muses (Aoide, Melete and Mneme, or alternatively Hypate, Mese and Nete) who are the daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, while others claim there are three but give them different names (Apollonis, Borysthenis and Cephisso) and call them daughters of Apollo. Still others name four Muses (Aoede, Arche, Melete and Thelxinoe, who share some names in common with the triad versions but not all) and call them daughters of Zeus and Plusia instead of Mnemosyne. Then, too, some traditions stick with the nine but make them the children of Gaia and Ouranos, Ouranos alone, or even of Harmonia and Cadmus. Pausanias, hedging his bets, claims that there are actually two sets of nine Muses, one the "Titanic" Muses, children of Gaia and Ouranos, and one the "divine" Muses, children of Zeus and Mnemosyne.

All this confusion is most likely just the result of cultural ideas changing over time; the ancient Greek and then Roman ideals of what the core arts and artistic ideals were evolved over the thousands of years of their cultures, leading them to invent or discard new Muses to fit the current philosophical fashion. Those who want to include all the Muses (and perhaps open up Musehood to possible membership for new Scions) could consider "Muse" to be merely a divine title bestowed on the most artistic goddesses of Olympus, or a Storyteller could also consider Muses a class of lesser immortal attached to the gods who could be any number of represent any artistic concept as needed.

In most cases, if you want to actually do things with the Muses in a story, it's easiest and most rewarding to use the standard setup of nine; they have the most detailed iconography, geneaology and myths (including such juicy tidbits as Calliope's affair with Ares). The older, more archaic triads, tetrads and alternate versions of the Muses seldom have much to go on as far as personality goes, making them more difficult to portray as characters of note on Olympus; but, of course, if you have a killer idea for Muse madness, any or all of them could be woven into a story in a variety of interesting ways.

12 comments:

  1. I've read a lot on Greek Mythology, but I never heard of Calliope having an affair with Ares. Where is that story from? I'd like to read up on it.

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    1. Unfortunately, there's no "story" per se, just the fact that she and Ares are the parents of all the first kings of the Phrygian royal dynasties - Biston, Edomus, Bygdon and Odomantus, mentioned by Thucydides. Most scholarly theorizing I've seen on the subject suggests that Calliope, as the muse of epic poetry, would have been the muse in charge of inspiring the troops and recording Ares' great deeds in battle, so it's not too surprising that they might have gotten together. Without any actual story of how that went down, Storytellers are free to imagine whatever works for their story.

      Calliope also has kids with Apollo (Orpheus), the river-god Strymon (Rhesos, king of Thrace whose horses were stolen by Odysseus and Diomedes) and Zeus (the Korybantes, soldier-dancers of Cybele's cult). She's probably the most actively related to other deities of the nine popular muses.

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    2. I did a bit of research myself by now and it seems that you're mistaken this time(never thought this would ever happen). The genealogy stems from the Ethnicia by Stephanus of Byzantium and describes a mortal princess called Calliope. I got confused more then once when those stupid Greeks decided to name their mortal children after minor gods. The symbol of inspiring/praising the troops is then more likely directly derived from the name itself, meaning "beautiful voice".

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    3. Hmm, do you think you could dig up a quote for me? It's not that I don't believe you, but my memory is that Calliope is given no genealogy there, so that she could be a mortal but could also have been the muse (one of the many details possibly lost with the original work?). I don't have the Ethnica 'round right now to check myself, though I could make it a point to go find it next time I'm out badass library way.

      If she doesn't have a geneaology there, I see no reason not to consider her to be the muse for Scion's purposes; it's a more interesting plot hook than her being nobody. (If she's mortal, though, I must be going crazy. I just went through the entire HotPPW trying to figure out how I thought I got that idea from Thucydides, and all I can think is that I must have been confusing it with something else. Stupid Greek myth.)

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    4. Hooohooo,
      Oldest trick in the book.
      "you are wrong"
      ....doesnt site source.....silly anonymous...

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    5. Sorry, I was in a bit of a hurry yesterday.
      Source: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MMZiAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=de&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=%20%CE%92%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD&f=false

      I could only find the ancient Greek version online but a dictionary should show you pretty fast (or common sense, as the phrase is pretty obvious as it is) that it reads "Bistonos, son of Ares and Kalliope, daughter of Nestos".

      I of course understand your suspiciousness, John. That's what I love about your blog: In difference to most people, you know how to quote.

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    6. Well, damn, I must be crazy, then. Thanks for digging that up! The idea of an additional affair with Ares was a fun one for Scion's purposes (Ares really doesn't canoodle with other deities nearly as much as he does with mortals), but that definitely points to a mortal Calliope. (Unless that Nestos is the same as the Thracian river-god, but I'm not sure we need to stretch to give these mortal figures a divine background when they aren't overly important.)

      I guess it'd be hubris to think we were never ever wrong about classical myth, and we all know where hubris leads. :) Thanks so much, Anon!

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    7. Well, I always liked to think that he got a bit cautious after his affair with Aphrodite went sour (I think you choose to have them keep it up, but I prefer Homer's version, where he leaves her in shame after being exposed [Homer, Odyssey, Book 8, Verse 360 f]) and especially after her nasty reaction to his flirt with Eos.

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    8. We consider that it was definitely a nasty shock and both of them departed for their respective sanctuaries after Hephaestus' shenanigans, but that it didn't end the affair as a whole - he leaves, but doesn't necessarily leave her. But yes, I imagine he is probably not big on supernatural affairs considering the possible complications. :)

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    9. Anne! You have disappointed me for the last time!

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  2. I admit that my statement wasn't based on the Homeric verse alone. It just strikes me as strange that although Aphrodite and Hephaestus are divorced after the incident (he marries a Charite/Grace (Aglaea) afterwards, as both Homer and Hesiod state) Ares and Aphrodite are hardly ever mentioned as lovers again (I admit on doing only fast research on theoi.com on this one, but I could not find a post-chain account there and neither do I remember one myself); except for the "Adonis Incident" and there are so incredibly many different accounts of this story that it hardly counts for me (And that can be played as revenge for the "Eos Incident". Makes for totally new dynamics between the two.).

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    1. We've always run that Hephaestus never successfully divorced Aphrodite; he certainly says he wants to in the Odyssey and won't release the lovers until Zeus agrees, but he ends up releasing them anyway due to Poseidon's interference, so the situation is never resolved. The only other source I know of that points to a divorce is Nonnus, who mentions Aphrodite in passing as Hephaestus' "former" bride when he's trying to court Persephone, but that's similarly unclear. Considering that Zeus married him to her in the first place to prevent her from being unmarried and free to do (theoretically more?) mischief, we assume that he did not dissolve their marriage, leaving them in a weird limbo of dislike and marital ties. We found it more interesting to keep the legal aspect as an added complication to their dynamics, stuck with each other but each trying to pursue other affairs instead.

      There are definitely bazillions of ways to deal with the situation, though - those three have so many myths around their love triangle that the possibilities are endless and the dynamics ever-changing. I imagine almost every story plays them a little bit differently.

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