Monday, October 21, 2013

What Runs in Your Blood

Question: Okay, so is it possible to have true Titanic Scions? I remember reading in the Grecian deluge myth that Prometheus had a demigod son.

No, it is not. Scions are specifically the children of gods; they are free of the taint of the Titans and made of equal parts divinity and humanity. Titans can corrupt humans to be their servants or have sex with humans to create Titanspawn offspring, but they can't make Scions. That ability lies with gods alone.

The person you are thinking of is Deucalion, so let's talk about him a little bit! There are actually a couple of Greek deluge myths, but Deucalion and his wife Pyrhha are the stars of the most famous one, in which Zeus floods the earth to destroy the people of the Bronze Age and only Prometheus' timely warning to his son allows the two of them to create an appropriate vessel and escape death. Deucalion and Pyrhha then repopulate the earth and foud a line of Grecian kings.

Greek heroes aren't always clearly labeled, and Deucalion is no exception. Apollodorus refers to him as "god-like", while Hyginus implies him to be part of the "human race"; Nonnus muddies the water by saying that "all mortal men perished" but Deucalion remained to repopulate with his wife. All different writers agree that Prometheus was Deucalion's father, while his mother is sometimes given as Pronoia (an Oceanid daughter of Oceanus and Tethys) but often goes mentioned. Deucalion does a lot of things that are Scion-esque, including receiving aid and favor from the gods to try to save himself from the flood, and he's considered to be dead but the manner of that death is never discussed, implying that he might have died of old age, a distinctly mortal condition. Pyrhha is clearly half-human, half-Titan, as a daughter of Epimetheus and Pandora, although depending on your take on the myth of Pandora's creation you might or might not consider her human.

All this certainly sounds like a Scion, but while we're totally down with running Deucalion as a Scion if you want to, we're not down with running him as the Scion of a Titan. That simply doesn't exist in Scion's framework - and shouldn't, in our opinion, because the creation of Scions is an important and unique feature of humanity that doesn't make sense for Titans, who are by definition no longer capable of interacting with humanity in that kind of close and positive way. This is a lot like that time we talked about Demeter trying to burn the mortality out of a kid with fire; Greek mythology (and every other mythology) occasionally does things that just don't fit into the game's world anywhere easily, because religions and gods are weird and you'll never be able to create a system that covers every ridiculous thing they've ever done, so if you want to reconcile it as a Storyteller, you have to be creative.

The first and most interesting option we'd explore is that Prometheus maybe wasn't a Titan at this point in time. While Pandora's existence tells us that this is after all his shenanigans with the stealing of sacrifices and dissemination of fire and earning Zeus' eternal hatred, Deucalion himself might still have been born before the battle lines between the two were drawn. Zeus himself helps Deucalion, which suggests that there are no hard feelings there. Prometheus is of course definitely of a Titanic generation, but he's also the same generation as Zeus (they're first cousins), so it's theoretically possible that he wasn't a Titan from the beginning and only defected later. Certainly he doesn't appear to have fought in the Titanomachy, and he's generally a more benevolent and unthreatening figure where humanity is concerned. If you go with that option, Deucalion really is just a normal Scion of Prometheus - possibly the only one that ever existed.

Another possibility is that Prometheus is Deucalion's father figuratively instead of literally, and that he's someone else's Scion (perhaps Zeus'?) that Prometheus acts as Guide or mentor for. We're not as big fans of this approach since Greek myth is very clear about repeating that Deucalion is Prometheus' son, but for those who want him to be Titanic from the very beginning but also want Deucalion to be a true Scion, this may be a useful compromise.

Or, you can also decide that Deucalion wasn't really a Scion at all, and proceed accordingly. He's very closely associated with humanity and rebuilding it after the flood, so maybe he was a Legendary mortal, created by Prometheus through the use of Artistry or other creative powers (which would explain why a mother is mentioned so seldom). Maybe he was a normal human that Prometheus decided to adopt, possibly because he married Pyrhha and therefore Prometheus felt some responsibility for her since he made her mother Pandora. Maybe he was actually a lesser immortal or Titanspawn of some kind or even a god, living in the World before the time that the gods left it for good; if his mother is an Oceanid, he could be one of the tritones, or any other kind of supernatural figure associated with water, which certainly couldn't hurt him in his quest to survive the great flood. The mortals that Deucalion engenders to repopulate the world aren't actually children of his but rather created from rock and earth, so he wouldn't need to be human in order to "create" human children in this way.

Honestly, this is one of those places where game rules don't match up and it's a pain in the ass. Use your best judgment, and best of luck to you.

7 comments:

  1. I definitely lean towards the idea that Prometheus was not 'officially' on the philosophical side of the Titans until his mutual vengeance feud with Zeus had begun to ramp up to epic levels.

    I would like to imagine that if Zeus had spent a little more willpower resisting his virtues (or vice versa) then Prometheus might still be a God.

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    1. I can get behind that interpretation. As usual, the Greeks generally all manage to simultaneously shoot themselves in the foot.

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  2. "Titans can corrupt humans to be their servants or have sex with humans to create Titanspawn offspring, but they can't make Scions. That ability lies with gods alone."

    While I don't think I'd necessarily allow Legendary Creatures or Titanspawns; what exactly doesn't allow Titans to form Scions. Like, in your game; what prevents Demeter from now having mortals or Hestia from adopting another's Scions?

    I'm not getting the why bit. is it just a rule y'all laid down and that's-that, or is there something that makes gods special when they're not serving a greater titans will?

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    1. It's more an issue of the fact that in Scion, gods and Titan Avatars are literally different creatures entirely. Titan Avatars may once have been gods or they may not, but they're now pure manifestations of the Titanrealm's will and no longer deities under their own power. It makes them much more powerful than the average god, but saddles them with some of the motivations of the greater concept they represent in the form of Dark Virtues.

      A Titan Avatar therefore can't have Scions because he or she isn't a god; they've passed from the realm of divinity to the realm of the primordial, and Scions are very specific combinations of divinity + humanity.

      Titans are so screwy and sketchy, though, I'm sure that if you run them differently, that totally changes the game. If you run Titans as just "gods who are the bad guys right now" without actually having crossed a line that transforms them into something different from gods, then that reason for them not to have Scions evaporates for the most part.

      Honestly, I go back and forth on it all the time. Titans and gods as separate classes of beings works very well for the game, but of course isn't particularly well-matched to the majority of world myth. Monsters are easy, like Surtr or Apep or Chmarnik, but those Titans that are really gods in their mythologies, like Coatlicue or Amatsu-Mikaboshi, pose weirder metaphysical questions of what the difference is exactly.

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  3. I imagine a lot of it depends on what flavor of game you want to run. Titans being different entities makes it a lot easier to run a black and white, hero versus villains game. Us vs Them. The familiar versus the foreign.

    Titans mostly being gods makes it a lot easier to run a civil war, brother against brother style game. Dealing with a grey ethical spectrum. Orange vs Blue morality.

    Naturally you can do both with either setting, but that seems to be the thematic trend between the two options.

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    1. Also, I imagine there are some Gods that are positively disposed towards the titanic philosophy. They might even hang out in the greater titanrealm itself, but have not yet made the step towards becoming a full blown Titan Avatar.

      They could probably sire Scions and influence them to work towards titan goals, with all the dire implications that entails.

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    2. That's what we do with Xochipilli, actually. He's still a god, but he spends a lot of time in Ourea where his weird habits are more tolerated and the Teotl can't pick on him so much.

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