Saturday, November 3, 2012

Ragnarok 2012: The Movie (Part 2)

Question: You're given unlimited funds to produce a movie based on Ragnarok. Who do you hire to direct? Who do you cast as which gods? Where do you film? And how about a film score?

And we're back with part two of this question! This time, let's talk about music and scores; let's make this Ragnarok sound as epic as it needs to.

Just as with directors, we went through our personal lists of the film composers who really stick out in our memories. John Williams is the obvious first choice, having done such sweeping epics as the Star Wars series, but we weren't feeling his style; Hans Zimmer was closer, but we still felt like, even in similar movies or work of his we really enjoyed, he lacked that special something. We're both big fans of Danny Elfman, but we had to admit that while any score he wrote for this would undoubtedly be good, it probably wouldn't suit the epic scale and sense of the project we're envisioning. We had a good long talk about Howard Shore, but while we loved his scores for the Lord of the Rings trilogy, we haven't heard anything else of his that really stuck out for us, and as a result weren't sure if maybe Celt-inspired elf music isn't just his perfect milieu.

But that's all okay, because there is a dude out there who has done awesome scores for sweepingly epic movies that we always enjoy, and that dude is James Horner. He's done excellent work in a wide range of movies, from small, homey feels to legendary epics, and we think he's got the vision, style and range to pull it off. So he's our official pick, despite the competition being steep.

This is something additional that we couldn't quite agree on, but it's interesting to discuss: in addition to orchestrated film scores, is this movie a good place for more modern genre music as well? It's not everybody's cup of tea and John isn't sure he agrees with me, but I can't help but feel that the Ragnarok movie might be the opportunity that the viking metal genre has been waiting for all its life. Should we enlist some of the most badassest of the northern rockers for moments in this film, or trust that Mr. Horner can deliver the goods without the need for outside contractors?

Either way, I'm just going to leave this right here:

Crank that sucker up and envision a bunch of Norsemen charging into battle. Hell, yes.

In other news, we wanted to have an awesome selection of places to film this movie, but the more we talked about it, the more we realized that Ragnarok really couldn't be accurately filmed on location, even in the most badass of locations. While we would definitely love to include some atmospheric shots of the most badass portions of the Norse world, like Mount Thor, Skogafoss or Surtsey, the vast majority of this movie is taking place in more epic locales yet - Asgard, Jotunheim, Muspelheim, Vigrid and Yggdrasil itself. Unfortunately, while there are unbelievably awesome sights in the world that could be taken advantage of for many shots, the vast majority of this movie is going to have to be CGI, which means most of it will need to be shot on a set suitable for greenscreening, motion-capture and all that other stuff that people who are actually film artists know way more about than we do.

So, since we like warm weather, good food and beaches, we arbitrarily chose Hawaii, but anywhere with a state of the art studio and a completely cracked-out awesome group of digital artists will do.

What about you guys? Any totally awesome composers we overlooked, or opinions to weigh in on the metal versus orchestra debate? Photographs of awesome landmarks that beg to be shared? Hit us and then stay tuned, because next time we're going to talk about casting.

16 comments:

  1. If you're willing to go outside Hollywood, Yoko Kanno has some excellent scores. Give this a try:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJV6jAyfOs4

    Also, since you brought up Leaves' Eyes, they happen to have a song CALLED Ragnarok, which you can check out here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7bIZHs1UT8

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  2. If you're willing to go outside Hollywood, Yoko Kanno has some excellent scores to her name. Give this a try:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJV6jAyfOs4

    And since you brought up Leaves' Eyes, they happen to have a song CALLED Ragnarok, which you can check out here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7bIZHs1UT8

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    1. Yes, Leaves' Eyes are a great example of the viking metal band genre - entire albums dedicated to Norse mythology and/or viking culture. They're one of my favorites.

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    2. Cliched as it is, I don't suppose you would want to put Ride of the Valkyries in there somewhere?

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    3. Oddly enough, I was just thinking about that earlier today - I heard "Ride" in a selection of opera that was playing. I would totally love to hear a really hardcore reorchestration of that in there somewhere - it's so good.

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    4. As an extension of that, how do you guys feel about using standard snippets of Classical Music in d movie, or would you like an entirely original soundtrack? Like would you like to foreshadow Ragnarok with 'O Fortuna', or have an entirely original piece playing that would have people go 'Hey isn't that the foreshadowing theme from John and Anne's movie?'

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    5. I think I'd prefer an entirely original soundtrack in most cases (possibly excepting awesome rescoring/cover of Wagner). Not necessarily because I want it to be recognizable as "ours", but more because those classical pieces by now have so many strong connotations and connections to other things thanks to being used over and over again for various purposes that I'd rather something that had no connection other than Ragnarok be used. Feels more "clean", I guess?

      Then again, this is also the moment when things like Ring of the Nibelungs could really shine in ways their composers couldn't have imagined, so maybe that's too narrow an interpretation. I could see either being pretty excellent.

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    6. Sadly, while I love Carmina Burana, it's been overused a lot for a lot of different things, so "O fortuna" at least would probably be out for me. We need a new awesome "Fate is going to fuck you all up" theme.

      Though we did play "O fortuna" a lot during Sunday night's game's epic battle sequences. Makes for some epic Titanrealm invasion.

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  3. May I recommend either Clint Mansell or ES Posthumus?

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    1. Ohhh, Clint Mansell, good call, I totally forgot about him somehow. ES Posthumus could definitely be involved somewhere - they're magical for trailers, but in a film like Ragnarok could definitely be a bigger part of the movie's score.

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  4. I would like to point something out on the idea for CGI, don't do it. There are times it is good and times it has gone horribly wrong. The prequels of Star Wars for instance. WAY TOO MUCH CGI! I think we can find locals that can fit the bill for some of the places, but Muspelheim I think we may have to do a Mt. Doom thing. Oh where most of it was a real place, but it was brushed to look darker and more menacing then how it looks in real life, if you have seen Mount Doom in real, they used Mt. Ngaurhoe. Nice place, looks cool as it is, but they 'airbrushed' it in editing for that feel, which is why it looked like a real place, that was dirty and unclean, unlike CGI which looks too sterile. And that will Ruin Ragnarok, mark my words, it would. Now then, if we could do more locals and bring in cgi to show how many people and stuff like that, not create a world, it will work out A LOT BETTER.

    As for the music, I think you guys have a great handle on who and what style. Though the Metal Viking music would be good in some parts. I think it could have a good part in the movie.

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    1. Aha, but remember - this is a fantasy project, so our CGI team is the best in existence. We aren't going to have Star Wars CGI; we're going to have much better than that. So don't sweat it. :)

      I do think some real shots of cool places could be included, as I noted above - that would definitely be super awesome. But the majority of it probably can't measure up to what a place like Asgard or Muspelheim needs to look like.

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  5. I'm not so sure on cast or music but the humanoids would have to be played by real people. Nothing more epic than seeing thousands of real humans rushing into battle. I'd love to see it in Old Norse and not English

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    1. Oh, man... I do love a good foreign-language film. I think subtitles make life hard for a lot of people, though.

      Well, this is our fantasy world - we can always just shoot the movie twice in both languages. ;)

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    2. Like how whats-his-name did with The Message: Story of Islam?

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    3. You know, I actually haven't seen The Message. Which, since I'm working with pre-Islamic Arabia right now, is actually a crying shame that ought to be rectified, if only for a little more Muslim perspective. Thanks!

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