Question: Is it possible to have a Scion of the Morrigan birthed by a lesbian mortal mother after the goddess impregnated her in female form after a torrid night of lesbian passion?
You know, I have gotten variations on this question way more than I ever would have predicted. I guess people are very concerned about the possible outcomes of divine lesbian encounters.
Sure, dude, you can totally do that; Scion's full of people doing crazy shit, and I see no reason this can't be one of those moments. Compared to some of the reproductive shenanigans going on in various mythologies, this is downright tame.
I'm not going to go into the details of all the ways two ladies can have sex (you guys have the internet, I'm sure you can figure it out), but the only thing to really worry about is the fact that somehow one of these women has to get knocked up, which means something has to fertilize an egg. In humans, that requires particular equipment, but gods don't have to play by those rules. Appearance knacks - Undeniable Resemblance and Unusual Alteration - that allow specialized shapeshifting can easily provide ways for this to happen, whether it's creating fertilizing fluid of some kind that is released through small openings in the fingers or even modifying the pores of the skin to allow simple contact to pass something unnoticed from one to the other. Purview Avatars, of course, can also probably pull this off easily as well; the Savior especially can probably just impregnate via finger guns if you want it to, but others can likely pull off similar events as well. Exactly how this works mechanically depends completely on the actions and interests of the ladies involved and the Storyteller's rulings, but it's far from something that is difficult for your average goddess to do.
To digress for a moment, you'll see very, very few cases in ancient mythology where someone is born without a male being involved anywhere. This is because most ancient societies' understanding of the process of procreation mandated that both male and female parts be involved, which is why even most of the most famous parthenogenic stories involve some kind of opposite counterpart or proxy - Cavillaca becoming pregnant by eating Coniraya's sperm in a fruit, for example, Erichthonius being born when Hephaestus's seed fell on the ground and therefore impregnated Gaia, or Xquic being impregnated by Hun Hunahpu spitting into her hand - even if sex isn't directly involved. There are a few, with Hera's solo birth of Hephaestus probably the best example of a story with no dudes involved anywhere, but not a lot, and I can't think of a single one in which two ladies were able to combine to make a child (unless you want to get funky with the confusing myth of Heimdall's parentage, maybe?).
But that's okay, because those ancient stories aren't the boss of us! Today's Scions are being born in a world where lesbian relationships are commonplace, in vitro fertilization is an everyday occurrence and scientists have figured out how to make viable sperm with no male genetic material involved at all, so there's no reason whatsoever they have to adhere to those crusty old classical ideas of how babies are made. Especially if it's just something in your Scion's backstory, feel free to be creative, and if the Storyteller wants details, work them out. In the end, it's perfectly plausible roleplaying favor that doesn't affect your mechanical abilities or behavior as a Scion, so I see no reason to restrict it.
I've read quite a few eastern stories about gods impregnating females through strange means. Just a woman bathing in a river, or touched by the cinder of a fireplace. A male god was always involved on the other side of things, but some of these methods of impregnation got really creative.
ReplyDeleteI even read about a culture where the women [believe they] just get pregnant by the blessing of the gods, and the men are not responsible for it at all. Instead their semen nourishes the growing baby, and the young men have to fellate the older men to make sure they have enough because they believe they might run out and starve a baby.
Probably TMI, but that's myth for you!
99% sure I saw the semen eating in a Cracked article. Not to say it's fake, it's not The Onion and they frequently give sources on their articles at Cracked (can't recall if this tidbit was sources), but it's probably worth mention.
DeleteThey've been around since 1958, it's hard to find crazy facts they haven't written about.
DeleteThat would be this one, for anyone who wants the details:
Deletehttp://www.cracked.com/article_20542_5-insane-foreign-versions-traditional-marriage.html
I just spent all morning looking for my source and can't find it (darn it! I'm sure it was something I ran across while reading upon lesbianism in myth!), but I've also seen a Chinese myth that states that in the most ancient times, the local people believed that women conceived without any aid from men at all, and only had sex for pleasure, and therefore it wasn't until the educating effects of modern religion (Taoism) explained to them that they were wrong that they realized men had anything to do with it. Men then took their rightful place as leaders and protectors, since before that they had been marginalized by women who didn't believe they had any useful function.
DeleteAsia has a lot of little fragments that suggest old matriarchal societies that were replaced by the much more patriarchal ones we know from most of their history. Of course, it could also be some ancient historian just blowing smoke in an attempt to make people who predated his religion look stupid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo
DeleteApparently there is a tribe doing it to this very day.
That's so weird, Michael is the son of two mothers too! High fives!
ReplyDeleteAll male generation occurs too. No females needed. In Hittite/Hurrian myths, Tarhun is born after his father devours his father's penis (meaning Tarhun's grandfather - He had turned into a bird and was trying to escape the typical dynastic pantheon power shift). Dad vomits up his two brothers (both river gods) but stormy Tarhun was his usual difficult self and left his father's body by his (untranslatable). Literally untranslatable. It's the only place that word has ever occurred in any Hittite documents that have been found.
ReplyDeleteShango is so manly he has two dads.
DeleteTrue, although Obatala is rocking that whole Orisha gender fluidity thing so he also turns up as a mom in some myths. :) (Not Shango, though. Shango is penis-only.)
DeleteI'm wondering, does the whole Shiva-Vishnu affair count?
DeleteI'd be inclined to say no - because there's an avatara (Mohini) involved who is kind of a different "person" despite being an expression of Vishnu. That really depends on your take on Hindu theology in Scion, though, since it's one of those grey areas where interpretation matters a lot.
DeleteI love the timing of this, the morning after our entire Band (and a number of the Greek and Gaulish pantheon) were impregnated by Esus' death-throes Savior. The list is predominantly male.
ReplyDeleteAhahaha, that's beautiful. Good luck, kids.
DeleteExpect a poke about artemis and hestia birtgs and if Zeus, new headkid would be considered part of metis and would.Metis inside Zeus' head would be considered prophezied to be Zeus'.
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