Hey, folks. Today John and I have death fevers and are way not fit to be on camera, so we're going to have to leave you with a normal post instead of our usual vlog. We're sorry. We might be able to vlog later in the week, but my class schedule's pretty rough, so if you don't hear from us, we'll definitely be back to our normal Saturday schedule next week.
And in the meantime, a question!
Question: Why does Ganesha have Animal (Elephant) associated? As far as I know, he never DOES anything with elephants, beyond having an elephant's head, and by that logic Nergal should have Animal (Lion).
You know, this is a tricky one, and one of those places where a hard-and-fast association rule is difficult to put into effect. The acquisition of Ganesha's elephant head is certainly not the usual kind of myth we'd look for in justifying Animal; after being beheaded by his father, his head was hastily replaced with that of a local elephant in order to restore him and pacify his understandably upset mother. It seems as if the unlucky elephant in question just happened to be the closest appropriately-sized critter when Shiva needed a backup cranium.
But Ganesha does indeed have Animal associated in our games, and yet does not have any myths where he runs around commanding or creating animals. He's not the only one; several of the Netjer are similar (for example, Anubis, who appears with a jackal's head but doesn't do much with actual jackals) in that they are strongly associated with an animal but without any myths that portray them interacting with them much. So how do we make that association call, when we decide against Animal for other gods in seemingly the same boat?
This is one of the places where cult worship and symbolism sometimes come into play in our associations-assignment process. Ganesha's religious presence and symbolism do involve elephants, and so had to be taken into account. Temples to Ganesha have been known to keep elephants, even large herds of them, in his honor and to involve them in religious festivals in his name; perhaps more importantly, Ganesha's connection to the elephant is also deeply symbolic, representing wisdom, intelligence, memory and perception, all qualities that the Hindu religion believes are innate to both elephants and Ganesha himself. In a very direct way, Ganesha embodies elephantness, for lack of a better word, appearing as an eternally elephantine, ever-constant symbol of all the qualities a Hindu would consider the animal to have.
Just as the Animal purview is split into two general categories - doing things with your animal, and being your animal - so are there different kinds of Animal gods. It's a lot easier to pinpoint one of the second category if they're nice enough to do things like transforming into their animals or showing up as their animals all the time, like Bastet running around as a cat or Tezcatlipoca transforming into Tepeyollotl, but there are a lot of gods of a lot of religions out there, and a blanket rule can't cover all of them. Ganesha is a god who always appears as an elephant at least in part and who furthermore permanently embodies all the qualities of elephants in an intentional way, so he seems to us to be a great example of a god that has Animal by virtue of really being an animal himself rather than by virtue of commanding or spending time with them.
We have a lot of other gods like that, actually - for example, Sekhmet, who was conceived of as a lion for embodying the animal's ferocity and power and whose cults kept lions in the temple in her honor, or Huitzilopochtli, who despite having no myths in which he does anything with hummingbirds was so inextricably linked to the birds that they were said to be the souls of his dead warriors and the creature became one of his names. It's much easier to give someone Animal when, like Mah, they're actually hanging out with or creating that animal, but it's not the only time it's possible. Just like every other association, we love examples in myth and lean on them whenever possible, but iconography, symbolism and cult worship always have the opportunity to weigh in as well.
In the end, like all associations, it comes down to a judgment call based on the specific god's situation. In our opinion, the elephant is one of the central and inescapable parts of Ganesha's character, and he must have the purview associated with him.
As for Nergal, I don't know what to tell you, friend. I was in favor of him having Lion, John wasn't, so he is what he is now (and I would say go either way, nobody's going to be too upset).
Thanks for this (and I'm sorry if this question went in twice, cuz I think I might have sent it in multiple times by accident). It's just that, I remember you once mentioning on the blog that the reason Nergal got Lion taken away was that he never does anything with them, and I got to thinking that that could apply to Ganesha too. But I see your logic and I get it and agree with it.
ReplyDeleteThere are, however, two local myths that explain why the poor elephant had to be it: in the first, Brahma tells Shiva that the replacement head can only come from a creature that lies facing North due to some astrological mumbo jumbo, and helpfully there is an elephant doing precisely that not far off (which leads me to wonder if this wasn't just Brahma's idea of payback for the whole Shiva destroying his fifth head incident). In the second, in honour of Parvati's loss, Shiva tells his devotees to find the head of the first child that they see that is sleeping with it's head turned away from its mother (children in India traditionally sleep with their mothers until at least double digits agewise). The only such child they find is an elephant because, of all reasons, his trunk was getting tangled with his mother's. There's even a third where Shiva tells his devotees to get the nearest head and they come back with an elephant's because he never specified what KIND of head!
I've also seen a version somewhere (although I can't come up with where at the moment) that said that Shiva came across an elephant weeping over her recently-dead child, so he used the baby elephant's head so that both Parvati and the mother elephant got their child back. Pretty nice for the Destroyer, eh?
DeleteI've said it before, I'll say it again: compared to Brahma and Vishnu, Shiva is a saint, and he gets entirely too much bad press just for being the God of Destruction.
DeleteHow many bad things has Shiva done exactly?
DeleteI know he chopped off the head of his own son without knowing who it was. He also threatened the world with destruction because he was too emo.
Anything else?
As far as I know, he has precisely three things that fit on the Naughty List:
Delete1. Beheaded Ganesha: In his defence, Parvati never bothered telling him who he was, and created him while Shiva wasn't around, so as far as Shiva knew, here was a punk telling him he couldn't get into his own house. Also note that most depictions of the incident have Ganesha as at least a teenager, though some have him as still a child. Also, once the fiasco is cleared up, Shiva has been, by all accounts, a loving, if somewhat distant, father.
2. Killed everyone at Daksha's Yagya: In his defence, the love of his life had just committed suicide because her father was insulting her life choices left and right, and not one of the guests (which included numerous Gods whose ass Shiva has saved countless times) would stick up for her. I think we can cut the guy some slack on this one, since he did at least bring them all back to life.
3. Killing KamaDeva, the God of Love: In his defence, he was in mourning for his dead wife when some punk decided to invade his home and privacy and shoot arrows at him. Again, he repents and brings him back to life.
That's all I can think of. Am I forgetting anything Anne?
Those are the ones that come to mind, too. It's not that Shiva is evil in Hindu cosmology at all; it's just that he's the Destroyer, and destruction is scary, so he's scary. He is respected and feared for that ability, but he doesn't abuse it. Destruction is a necessary part of the cycle of creation-maintenance-dissolution, after all, so he's no worse than Brahma or Vishnu (although of course Vishnu gets a lot better press, because who doesn't like the guy whose powers make sure to preserve your world and life?).
DeleteActually, come to think of it, there was that time he murdered Yama for nothing more than that god accidentally missing a target and lassoing a lingua, thus offending him. He did eventually resurrect Yama, although iirc the other gods had to kind of beg him to do so because nobody was dying on earth and it was really upsetting everyone. Not his finest hour, though you could of course claim that he thought Yama was attacking him and defended himself.
The Trimurti and Co. seem to have a game out of picking on Yama. It reinforces the whole 'the Trimurti are beyond petty concerns as death, and with their blessing, so can you!' line of proselytisation that modern Hinduism favours.
DeleteVishnu with Ajamila is a similar case. If anything, Vishnu's case is, as usual, worse. Markandeya was a kind, devoted kid, and Yama's actions could very well be misinterpreted as an attack. Ajamila never repented for the shit he did (at least, not the first time), and Yama never made any mistakes in this case. Vishnu clearly broke all the laws of proper Dharma (and probably gave Yama dual Harmony and Duty Extremities) all to show off how awesome he is.
Every time, Vishnu.
DeleteAlso, I hope you guys get well soon!
ReplyDeleteThank you, I hope so, too. Soon the cold medicine will probably knock me out and I will hopefully be better when I wake up!
DeleteYes, hope you guys feel better, and also hope it's not the Zombie Virus - that would truly suck. :-) We'll all be here when you get back to normal.
ReplyDeleteI dunno. Zombie vlog may be interesting.
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