Sunday, January 27, 2013

Sound the Trump

Question: A friend of mine and I are currently making monotheism (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) into a pantheon and we're doing pretty well. But I would like to know how you would stat Michael's star-cutting sword, Gabriel's trumpet, and Azrial's book of wisdom? I put them in the same class as Mjolnir and other legendary Birthrights.

Well... a lot of this post could be about how the monotheistic religions don't fit into Scion's paradigm at all and trying to use them raises unanswerable questions and irreconcilable setting problems, and how much we don't think that trying to make a "pantheon" based on monotheism is a good idea in any way. But I suspect you've heard all that before, and you don't care or you really want to give it a shot anyway, so I won't bore you again with all the ways that it's not a good idea for Scion and won't work. You do what you want, question-asker. Go on with your bad self.

But as far as famous relics from the monotheistic religions go, we don't have ready-made stats for you (obviously, since we wouldn't use them), and we're probably not going to come up with any, either. Trying to work out what an item that powerful mechanically does takes a long time and a lot of work, and we just aren't up to doing it for items that we would never in a million years use in our own games. Sorry.

But the most important question here is this: are you planning on Scions in your game ever getting access to actually using these things? Are these things that will be used directly against the Scions? If the answer to these questions is no, you may not even need to worry about officially statting them up. They can remain plot devices, appropriately powerful and awesome when the Storyteller is narrating them in play but without any need for stats since no one is being directly affected except other people the Storyteller controls. You don't need specific stats for the trumpet of Gabriel to be able to awesomely describe how it heralds the movements of God.

If you do need specific stats for some reason, however, I suggest you take a look at our Reliquary, specifically the "Relics of the Gods" section at the end. Several examples of the kinds of high-level, famous divine relics you're looking for are statted up there, and while the items of the monotheistic religions are not among them, you might be able to get a good idea of the kind of power level that those kinds of things might have.

12 comments:

  1. Oh ye of little faith. I let you know when we get it posted. I think even you will be presently surprised. spoiler. YHWH is the same as any other god in power, but fate bonds of the three faiths have driven him insane so Jesus has taken up leadership, and one of the pantheons missions is to raise up scions to goodhood to take the load off of one god bearing all the worship. The angelic choir will be the example of why monotheism is a bad idea.

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    1. Cool Story Bro, good luck with that.

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    2. That is just the prevailing sentiment when this whole argument started. Any fan-boy could say that he finally figured out "the formula" to insert the abrahamic faiths into scion, but even if you roll with the idea the YHWH is nuts, you still can't depict the underworld/over-world in a way that doesn't piss somebody off. "you just died, I'm sorry but you don't believe in Allah, so go to jannat and wither away because you prayed to some foolish Arabian/Caanite/etc. idol. I'm sorry you're in the christian underworld but no mythology describes it so i'm just going to leave in you in purgatory (un-biblical in several denominations which is no big deal because i'm an angel) until we figure out what do with your soul. and this before virtue extremities come into play (several Muslims are also poets). Virtue extremity on Expression, anyone? ("It's a blasphemous image of Mohammed!). It just not worth the effort.

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    3. Sure, let us know when it's posted! It sounds like you're on track with your plan, so good luck!

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    4. Just to be clear the intent of my last remark was not to offend those that follow the Abrahamic religions. It's just my experience the monotheistic myth/folklore loop seems to feed back into itself whenever religious fiction is involved. In other words, Crystal Dragon Jesus is not a toy.

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    5. dude bryan, don't be a hater

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    6. Not that there is anything wrong about being a hater.

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  2. i don't hate the idea. i just know that you could accidently turn the pantheon into a chickverse/author tract if you use the "vaunted" wiki-method to build the pantheon. there is a reason most modern churches don't discuss hell in their sermons. monotheism is the most potentially dangerously abused religion if not carefully researched. just look at jack + anne's mammon entry.

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  3. Isn't a Monotheistic Pantheon an oxymoron? Quite literally for 2 out of those 3 faiths "You shall hold no other gods before me"?

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    1. That just means they acknowledge the existence of other gods, but you only give props to the one in charge.

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  4. Simple solution, do with Yahweh and his angels what was with the Yazata. The only true problem is balancing between the three

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    1. Thats not a simple solution. The angels werent worshipped and are not gods, nor are ever mentioned as such. The yazata are.

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