Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Daddy Dearest

Question: What is Quetzalcoatl's relationship with his father like?

Complicated and uncomfortable, like many of the familial relationships of the Aztlanti. You'd think a people with so much Loyalty would like each other more - or maybe the fact that they're stuck being loyal to one another no matter what shenanigans they pull is what makes them so frequently cranky with each other.

Mixcoatl and Quetzalcoatl are odd men out among the Mexica-dominated Aztlanti, since both are the major patron gods of the preceding Toltecs, retained in the new pantheon but no longer its most powerful members. They're also rather closely linked in function and associations; both are gods of the stars, a dicey proposition among the Aztecs, both are strongly connected to the sky and the cloud serpent imagery that goes with it, and both fill the role of culture hero and teacher for their respective eras. Other than Mixcoatl's unfortunate tendency toward mass murder, they have a lot in common and probably don't have too many conceptual problems with one another.

The best story moment to illustrate the relationship between the two of them comes from the Codex Chimalpopoca. When Quetzalcoatl is born, he immediately joins Mixcoatl's army, but soon thereafter Mixcoatl is murdered by his remaining siblings (why is not addressed, so you're free to decide that they were either afraid he would take them out like the rest of the four hundred and struck pre-emptively, or that they were just ambitious and out to seize his power for themselves). Quetzalcoatl immediately goes batshit and starts a war with his uncles, which ends in him killing them all and sacrificing their bodies on a temple that he builds in his father's honor. He also goes out and makes a point of finding Mixcoatl's bones, which his brothers had hidden from everyone, and bringing them home.

Obviously, this is not a son who is in violent hate with his father. But Mixcoatl is also a Titan, and a major impediment to Huitzilopochtli as the de facto king of the Aztlanti, so Quetzalcoatl is put in an awkward position. Most likely, he is loyal to his father despite not approving of what he's up to, and has to play a dangerous game between trying to keep Mixcoatl from doing anything bad (which he may or may not be any good at), trying to keep his pantheon from getting on Mixcoatl's case, and deciding which Virtues to roll if open hostilities break out and he has to take sides. It's not a comfortable place to be, but that's what happens when you have strong ties to both Loyalty and Duty and your family is not getting along; in fact, it's probably the same problem that Huitzilopochtli has in dealing with his mother Coatlicue, who is a dangerous person to have around but whom he also can't stand anyone trying to hurt.

From Mixcoatl's end, things are probably less complicated. While Quetzalcoatl is likely to be one of the only (or maybe the only) Aztec gods who can approach him on semi-friendly terms instead of getting shot in the face, he's likely to view Quetzalcoatl as subordinate to him and a useful tool for influencing things in the pantheon back home. He'd probably be open to occasionally helping him out, but it's likely that he'd have no qualms about doing very nasty things to his son if he thought he was betraying him to the other gods or taking their side against him.

Alas, almost all pantheons have some poor god who's stuck saying, "But that's my mom/dad!" when everyone else is going after a Titan. Some just have to suck it up and deal with putting their fractious parent down, while others - particularly those with Loyalty - may find themselves going a little crazy if anyone dares lay a hand on the Titan that gave them life.

16 comments:

  1. I especially love the fact that Quetzalcoatl isn't above the occasional asswhuping. It's one of those reminders that when most people say that he's peaceful, kind, and compassionate, we have to append that with "for an Aztec god".

    Although, one incident with such things is the fact that not only do the two share many of the traits you listed, but also the same birthdate, One Reed (or Ce Acatl). And with the Aztec tendency to refer to the daysign names of everyone, this means that a lot of Mixcoatl's deeds get assigned to Quetzalcoatl. As such, much of those claiming that Q is a direct war god are taking the father's deeds and applying them to the son.

    But yeah, I can see Mixcoatl charging out onto the Gods and Quetzalcoatl's fuming and going "motherfucking Loyalty..."

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    1. Indeed. Don't be assuming Quetzalcoatl is some kind of wallflower. The feathered serpent has very large teeth.

      Good point about the confusion between Quetzalcoatl and Mixcoatl - I've definitely seen different versions where it's Quetzal doing many of Mixcoatl's things with his brothers, which is likely exactly that kind of confusion (either through cultural conflation or translators who didn't know what the hell was going on with these people with the same name).

      "Sorry, guys! I'd love to help you, but I just used all my Willpower in one shot and OORAHAGAGJAHG COURAGE."

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    2. Is it wrong that I heard that last bit in the Cowardly Lion's voice?

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    3. ...I heard the bloodlust noise. I need to go cry now.

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  2. There's always some poor smhuck caught between a Psycho parent and the other members of the family who want to do something about it. On the one hand you love the parent dearly and feel you owe it to them to defend them no matter what they do. On the other hand you see the pain and suffering they are causing to the other members of the family and the need to do something about it. So what do you do? poor Q, but also poor H. as the king he knows what his mother is capable of and the need to take care of her, but on the other hand... "she's his mom"

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    1. Yeah, our games have definitely had to deal with Huitzilopochtli's dedication to his mom and the other Tezcatlipocas not being very happy about the situation. Huitz himself is also not very happy about it, but she's his mom. Sometimes when your mom pisses you off you just have to leave her alone and go rampage through Gaia's domain screaming and throwing things until you feel better.

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  3. Speaking of Which how does mixcoatle feel about Hutilopactli? Does he have the same anger and hatred for him that his daughter and the four hundred star gods did before Huitzl murdered them? and what are his feelings for coatlicu for the same reason?

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    1. I can't imagine Mixcoatl is a fan of Huitzilopochtli in any way. Not only is he the usurper who very diectly wrested the religion of most of Mixcoatl's former worshipers away to focus on himself instead (and all that tasty, tasty Legend went with it!), but Huitz also murdered basically all of his children. Even if he's kind of a cold-hearted bastard toward his own family members, that doesn't mean it's okay when someone else does it. Murderdeathkill.

      There's a lot going on when it comes to the parentage situation for the other Tezcatlipocas, but out of the big soup of possibilities, we run with the idea that Coatlicue is probably the same figure as Chimalman (mostly based on similar attributes as a fearsome female figure and the alternative geneaology for Quetzalcoatl and his twin as her sons). Mixcoatl probably isn't a big fan of hers - she's just a lady and she managed to kick his ass at warrior skills, something that dudes in Aztec culture do not like very much - and they have very opposing elements to boot. He's probably distantly antagonistic toward her, while Coatlicue probably more directly hates him (especially if you like the interpretation that him lying with her is more likely to be an act of rape out of frustration at being defeated than a legitimate marriage act).

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    2. Urgh, yeah, trying to untangle the parentage of the Aztec pantheon in general is an exercise in insanity. Their family tree is like a mess of blood and kudzu.

      I mean, for one, you've got the idea that the four Tezcatlipocas (sometimes replacing Huitzilopochtli with Nanahuatzin) were born from Ometeotl. Then you've got Quetzalcoatl being born from Mixcoatl and Chimalman, or possibly from Coatlicue with no mentioned father, plus Huitzilopochtli being Coatlicue's as well. Then there's Quetzalcoatl being a twin, but sometimes he's Tezcatlipoca's twin, and Q's the older one (Ce Acatl, or One Reed, to Tez's Ome Acatl, or Two Reed), but when Ometeotl gave birth to the four Tezcatlipocas the Black one was oldest. And other times it's Xolotl who's his twin, and sometimes Xolotl's his nahualli, and OH DEAR GOD, I'VE GONE CROSSEYED!

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    3. If the genealogy doesn't get you, the batshit iconography will.

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  4. So I take it that Mixcoatl and Coatlicue wasn't imprisoned within Tartarus with the other Titans?

    And how does Mixcoatl get along with his other children?

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    1. Nope, they were both in Tartarus. Being family members doesn't make them less Titans, which means it is way not safe for them to be out running around. It was probably a monumental effort of will and strength to get them in there with everyone's Virtues rioting, but they did it.

      Which is why it is no fun at all that they're out again. (Time to blame everyone else!)

      (By the way, if you're the same person who asked the question about Mixcoatl in the fiction, your answer's already written and is coming later this week!)

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    2. When you say "everybody else" do you mean everybody in the pantheon or the other pantheons? Or both?

      Yeah that was me. I just started wondering because the whole Huitz killing his children and usurping his worship happened long ago when your fiction is set.

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    3. Any blame port in a storm, I imagine. It'd definitely be best if they could blame all that on other pantheons - it wasn't me, mom, it was those kids down the street!

      Get the twins up there to work their shenanigans, though, because I don't think Huitzilopochtli's much good with lying. Then again, his Boys Will Be Boys is probably a truly epic sight.

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