"Guys if there is a power that has no consequences, that is cheap, and you think everyone should have, and is an instant win power ...it's probably broken, and you shouldn't be suprised when it's gone."
Anne's speech to metaphorical players who are suprised about an upcoming change.
Does it work in mysterious ways?
ReplyDeleteFate powers have so many consequences....
DeleteAgreed 100%. I'll save this for when I have to crush the hopes of a player asking if he can do A with B to get infinite C and why not, the description doesn't specifically say he can't.
ReplyDeleteWhich is pretty much every week.
Legendary Surge in chain between two Scions with Legendary Mortal Geas. :O
DeleteHrmm...this one I dont understand.
DeleteI think because the wording of a legendary geas is "doubles all legend gains", one could make the leap that legend received from legendary surge is doubled. Therefore, Irish scions bouncing it back and forth could generate infinite legend, putting in 2 to gain 4, etc.
DeleteI'm not sure what ST in their right mind would allow that interpretation though.
O dear god! NO......just no
DeleteThat actually makes perfect sense. It's an entirely legitimate use of the Legendary Geas and Legendary Surge. Which is why they're both terrible things. Mostly Legendary Geas. Legendary Surge is only terrible because of Legendary Geas and Itztli. Still, since those exist, Surge is terrible.
DeleteNo....it really isn't. That's not how logic or game design work. As Royce said no reasonable st would ever let them be used together, so there shouldn't be a problem.
DeleteI'm pretty sure Legendary Geas is by far the more busted of those two powers. Also, I don't like it flavor-wise, but that's a different problem.
DeleteThere is some issue with the interplay between Legendary Surge and Communal Divinity, that I can agree on, though I need to really sit down and look at it again before I can say how much of an issue I think it is.
Legendary Geas is definitely busted. It would be much more balanced if it only doubled legend from stunt rewards. Even that is a pretty powerful benefit in any given legend economy.
DeleteThe original "Legendary Surge in chain between two Scions with Legendary Mortal Geas. :O" here.
DeleteSorry for that comment and then being off the grid for so long (China and no viable VPN ==> no way to look up your Blog without a proxy that disables Javascript and therefore prevents me from answering).
So yes, obviously, no ST in their right mind would ever accept such a ridiculous combination of powers, since, as you said in that extremely informative post on the in-game non-reality of Legend as a resource, it is not something you would pass on like a baseball just for kicks!
I was just contemplating the horror of it. And yes, I was wondering what is included in "Legend gains" for you guys?
@Anne : flavor-wise? Is it because enech actually IS the right path, so rewarding the Scion indiscriminately for whatever cool action (stunts) or special regain of fervor (others) is a little sketchy?
On an unrelated note, thank you a thousand times for your rework of Scion. I am a terrible system nazi whenever I get my hands on a new game in which the system doesn't fit my view of it or is broken, as is the original Scion in so many ways unfortunately.
DeleteSo yeah, thanks. You are truly remarkable, and put a lot of effort in all this, website, community and especially when keeping in mind that mythology should be the key to most of the fluff AND crunch in Scion. :)
Hello! We were just talking today about who checks on us from china :) Very cool. We were wondering, and this could be a wrong reply that you send in an email. How is the website viewed in china? We know "religion" is illegal and we've had a HELL of a time getting good sources on chinese mythology(paying hundreds for a not great book).
DeleteYou're welcome for the system reworks. It is a constant and unending quest for us.
DeleteFor "legend gains" in reference to geisa. We actually play it as only applying to legend gained from stunting. Legendary geisa gives you double legend from stunts, and thats it.
Hehe it's a pleasure to read this blog and to be true the entire website.
DeleteActually, being religious is completely accepted in China. It's just not possible for some of said religions (Christianism and Islamism mainly) to organize public festivities, and from what a Christian Chinese told me, to gather together if there are more than X people attending the gathering... Which is seriously f***ed up. But I'm not religious, that makes me a bystander.
Your website is completely accessible from China, EXCEPT the blog. But this is actually because of Blogspot, not religion. All the blogs from these servers, and also many others, are blocked. Facebook and Tweeter as well, and all in all it's probably simply to keep foreigners' opinions of China outside of said country. The government is especially adept at rewriting truths, it would be a problem if other normal people said otherwise.
Thanks for clearing the "legend gains" thing. :)
If you are looking for some good books, I haven't searched anything as of now (being moderately aware of the culture, I haven't felt the need to dive deep yet) but I can ask and look if you want. ^^
Yes, if you could look around for good chinese mythology books that would be amazing. We have the most impossible time finding them.
DeleteMultitasking and Fight With Your Head are getting nerfed? Awesome!
ReplyDeleteThat one Appearance boon that lets you force people Inactive, allowing you and/or your buddies to shiv them to death while their DV drops to 0 is gonna be nerfed?
ReplyDeleteSince that has a resist roll and breaks on moving them or them taking damage id and its not something you want everyone to have, just one guy. Id say it probably doesnt apply here, but is something that we've talked getting a look at later.
Delete*looks it up in Scion: Demigod and Scion: Hero*
DeleteNah, it works automatically. You just spend the Legend points, and then, bam! Helpless target. People with equal or greater Legend can spend a point of Willpower to break free, but the effect takes effect automatically and lasts for at least one full Action regardless, and that's really all you need.
Spend a Legend point, render them Inactive, then use your maxed-out Epic Strength and Dexterity to hit them for All The Damage; unless they've got equal-level Epic Stamina, it's curtains for them, especially if you've got skill-boosting effects like Arete or Geasa active as well.
Do you know where you are? Have you been here before? We dont "use the books".
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